"Solution" for the Vindicaar controversity

I can’t read nor speak English, sorry :frowning:

Romuul said that commencing an orbital bombardment would be far too mean and we have to give Man’ari a fighting chance :frowning:

No idea, had to google the word “daft” first :frowning:

In a world with almighty Nathanos and “Draenor is free!”?

Put your faith in the Light and all is possible!

See above!

Light can do anything.

Light can do anything, even heal your scars.

At least it would be funny unlike a couple of other already canon events…

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Oh Romuul, you prankster… To be fair, weirder things have happened in this game.

I have a fairly archaic way of talking English, to be fair. I was more meaning how ironic it would be if you had went “How many Orbital platforms have you operated?” And I replied “Well, actually…”

Ugh, Do not remind me that Nathanos even exists anymore, I am so done with his nonsense…

Wish it could heal mine, they always ache in winter… :smiley:

But also, it didn’t work so well for X’era when she tried that …

This is a world where a Goblin pastiche of a National Socialist dictator tries to change his Turkey friend back into a Goblin, just so that they can make an allusion to the rant speech said dictator makes from the film ‘Downfall’… Few things would surprise me…

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It’s true. Forsaken Bakers are an even worser threat than Sylvannas.

Do you want to know what would’ve happened to Teldrassil if the Demolishers loaded stale bread into it instead of fire?! DO YOU?!

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Forsaken celebrating on Darkshore beach as Teldrassil burns.

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But what if the oil tanker was equipped with cannons that are used by more heavy duty warships?

But in any case I can’t really give sources beyond Wookiepedia because that site is horribly sourced. While they list just about everything that mentions what is discussed in the article they can go on for paragraphs without sourcing their claims. In any case I think this is fairly accurate:

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Still don’t matter, you could rig out a Boeing 747 with top notch avionics, weapons platforms, radar, engines, and put the best pilot in the world in it. Doesn’t matter. A Typhoon will rip it to shreds in seconds. I appreciate I’m applying a lot of Real world logic to this, but essentially you can only upgrade a thing to a certain level. Can you mount radar on a 747? Sure, I mean it has one, but you’d want an Air to Air rig. Can you load it up with Cannons? Sure, You’d want missile pylons as well, but that’s not a problem either, Can you trick it out with better engines, errmm, probably not actually, but lets for the purposes of this go “Yeah, Sure”.

What you’re left with is a fast, yet still lumbering target, that can fight back, but has the turning circle of a truck. Will it stand a -better- chance against a top of the range fighter aircraft like a Typhoon or F-35? Yeah, marginally. Will it stand a chance? Not really.

You have to design such things specifically, a fighter aircraft, and by extension a space fighter is like a thoroughbred racehorse, bred/designed for one purpose. You wouldn’t use one for pulling a cart.

That’s what the Milennium Falcon is, a fast cart horse. I still wouldn’t bet on it In the ‘Grand National’ It doesn’t matter how much it has been trained, and how good its rider, it is essentially still a cart horse, it is not built for racing…

I think we’re getting hung up on the specifics there, but what I was driving at, is that when narrative needs something, most things can be justified. Ideally keeping some consistency, so not actually having Forsaken bringing down interstellar craft with thrown baguettes, but things like the Vindicaar taking such a pounding…Like how hard Brutusk is, despite the fact the player can one shot a Kodo by that time, How come Kobolds seem to get harder the higher level you get, that aircraft in Scholazar Basin that takes a hell of a pounding till the end, and yet you one shot loads of the same aircraft in Uldum…Whilst riding one of those same aircraft and getting shot at.

The Vindicaar is hard as nails, but its not invincible.

Confirmed, stale bread=Blight 2.0?

What if they were Sylvanas buffed baguettes with +2000% range, +2000% damage? I jest, I jest.

I would be -sorta ok- with losing the Vindicaar if it inflicted massive losses on the Horde going down.

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Maybe the planets energy or something gives them energy, and Azeroth doesn’t have it? Therefor they will also always be stuck in the ground and never be able to lift their UFO out of the dirt.

Massive losses of “countless warriors died…”

And no one will ever feel it it any way, shape or form anyway, because of plot-powered numbers.

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I don’t think that needs to happen even, they should use it like one of the advantages (That still didn’t win the war) that America had in Vietnam. Absolute Mobility and Troop Deployment. That’s its strength, that’s its use. It can pop around the place and as long as the Alliance have smuggled a beacon to that place, It can just drop troops in. It can act as covering artillery, assuming the local defences are unprepared, before just popping off again. As a Tactical weapon it is so-so, as a Strategic weapon, Oh- my…The possibilities…

We’re talking Bravo Two Zero meets Operation: Market Garden, level of capability here. You need a small team to place the Beacon, then BAM! you can teleport troops down. Sure, you wouldn’t want to hang around, because they presumably would have some defences, but it gives an amazing mobility to the Alliance forces.

As a strategic asset is just superb, for that ability alone. Hells with its Pew Pew gun…

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Waiting for Blizzard to realize that.

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But they need to need ships, because reasons

The only way to enjoy this story is to ignore this story.

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Yeah, I completely buy that Stormwind’s entire fleet, post Legion, was 8 ships. and is currently (Until they get Kul Tiras’ fleet) 1 ship.

That sounds, for a coastal nation, entirely believable.

But then hey, the Horde have a deficit of ships even -if- they get the Zandalari fleet. I don’t even know what the Horde story is about anymore. “We need to get our hands on a fleet, especially as the Alliance now has two magic flying ships” “Great news, we have a Fleet!, or will do, just need to finish sweet talking the King!” “Fantastic!”
“Oh, wait, no we don’t, Alliance just came in and roflstomped everything, Fleet and King both now lost”

“What are we even doing here anymore, I mean, sure, lets ally with Talanji, but if we’re all trapped on Zandalar, whats the damned point, the Alliance now have a full fleet!”
“Oh, uh, and that Space marine ship”
“Yes, and that”
“Oh, and remember Jaina has her flying magic ship that makes no lore sense whatsoever”
“Oh, yes, OK, and that…Hang on, its too much that we actually get a -fleet-, when they have those? Someone get me Blizzard on the phone”
“Uhh, they don’t exist, we’re in Azeroth!”
“Well what the heck is the point of us even being here?”
“I dunno boss, maybe…?”
“Hmm?”
“Maybe…Spikes?”
“Get out”.

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Blizzards representation of the Horde’s naval power is actually terrible to be honest. Trade Prince Gallywix is meant to have a trade fleet which they fail to represent IC out of a few Goblin cruisers, we’re meant to have these Iron Horde carriers now according to invasions but the closest ports to Orgrimmar are a small fishing wharf that they call Bladefist Bay and Bilgewater Harbour which is a few docks and a long stretch of beach which is itching to be developed into more docks. All these fleets of various Horde nations have gone completely unrepresented because they don’t want to do world design to support them so I guess we’re stuck with the Alliance pubstomping Zandalar as the end of the line.

And why the hell haven’t we seen the Uber Zeppelin yet!?

It is funny how you should say that, perhaps it is different in the raid but in the 8.1 trailer every ship is either Alliance or the Kul’tiran flagship Jaina raised. Don’t know why we even needed a new fleet if we can all of a sudden spawn one xd.

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Battlebarge Vindicaar, a faithful vessel of Space Goats Space Marine Chapter, in service of its Holiness, God Emperor, the Light.

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“Space.
The final frontier.
‘Final’ because it wants to kill us… Sometimes we forget that. Start taking it all for granted. The suits, the ships, the little bubbles of safety, as they protect us from the void…
But the void is always waiting.”

I can confirm that Lightforged were using Vindicar technology to transport troops to assault Horde base in Drustvar mountains.

Lightforged were also purifying the hexed kul’tirans that were under Coven’s curse.

But the way they were countered is what was priceless to me.

Vindicaar technology, probably. But riddle me this, if this is possible in Drustvar, why nowhere else?