there is a wrong way to play if blizzard has to step in though and add more guards and then buff them up though, which is what happened.
But so many people imply that āganking is wrongā, āwpvp-ing in a group is wrongā, ā1 vs 3 is wrongāā¦
I am kinda at a loss what would satisfy them - standing still around the enemy like around a boss (though I am sure a lot of ppl would play like this)? Force the opponents to wait until the lone player gets joined by more players? Or donāt know, any suggestions so far seem to be against a live open world. They want it predictableā¦
Like pve.
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I donāt mind tweaks like extra guards at specific fps. A small change that doesnāt impact wpvpers, but helps general wmers. No big easy mode changes tho plz blz, like invulnerable fps! If required, just buff the guards, but, donāt lose the potential for anything can happen. A fine line blizz walk, they do a great job.
The core world open pvp should remain as is. It works perfectly for what it is, open world no rules casual pvp. Assaults introduced another layer of wpvp, with more intense at times pvp. Looking forward to capturable objectives!
I love how you crying about getting ganked and 8v1 and 1246v 1. Yet two sentences later you calling aliance noobs and honorles or w/e for turning wm off - well i have surprise for you since you seem to live in a god damn buble u naive bias dumboā¦aliance turning off wm because we are getting heavily outnumbered anywhere we go. Every single champion of azeroth q are is a farm fiesta for you brave fellas. How is that any different you hypocryte?
And btw what does world first have to with this? Are you high or something. Method was ali guild.
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The 10% bonus reward doesnt worth the trouble, time,frustration to be perma-ganked by organised groups of players with only one purpose: to disrupt the funn of game and farm for others. One thing is open world pvp where 2 players from oposite factions meet and kill each-other in a open world duel and another thing is when a full raid is hunting one player. This difference you dont understand. Its becoming frustrating, annoying and time wasting, because you (the alliance) dont stop after one kill, you camp and sit with hours and hunt players, wich is ridiculous and especially that now Blizzard is taking alliance side by giving to you a lot of freebies + a lot of āquallity of lifeā improovments between the 2 main capitals on the two continents (Boralus and DazarāAlor). I will mention a few āquallity of lifeā perks that alliance has and horde doesnt:
-basically for alliance, all important locations are in Boralus, at a distance of 10-30 sec between each other : raid entrance, all important shops/repairs, war headquarter, mythic chest, scrapper, mission table, etc.
-while horde locations for theese points are far between each other, you need to fly or walk a huge distance (some locations more than 2-3 min away, by walking) and go trough a āstair mazeā to reach the location desired (scrapper for example). And if you are unlucky to forget something and you need to go back, you waste another 2-3 minutes to go back and forth again.
I dont know why Blizzard choosed to treat the horde players like that, but from what i see, it seems that alliance is getting a lot of benefits and the horde nothing.
Yes. I want to be taken seriously! What i wrote above describes alliance players perfectly. When you as a player, enter a raid for he purpose to camp a location and harrass other players while they do quests or farm, than you are not a true PvP-er. You are just a noob that wants some free kills, because you are too incompetent to do them on your own. If you consider yourself a true PvP-er, go arenas. Not open world ganking.
And thatswhy (pitty i cant describe you in details, because it will be taken as insult) pathetic players like you exist. You say that you love 1v1, but your profile contradicts your statement. You have 0 rank on arena this season and you played only batlegrounds. A proof that you enjoy āgankingā style PvP, relying on others to do the kills for you, not yourself. Otherwhise, you would rank yourself in arena, where there a true PvP player can show his skills. Thatswhy, opinions that come
from people like you, should be ignored from the start.
It would satisfy us to stop with this bully behaviour you have: camping with hours and ganking players. Its about your own ethics as a player. To think if it is fair and normal or not. For example, on my server, for some reason, i dont know why, Pandaria continent is full with alliance low lvl players and almost 0 horde. Everytime when i go there, i see minim 10-20 alliance players, questing, farming,etc. All low lvl and undergeared. I never atacked them. Although i have all reasons to revenge on alliance for your behaviour in BFA zones, i leave thoose low lvl alliance players go on with theyr life. Why i dont atack them? Because my mentality doesnt allow me to atack another player who was clear disadvantage towards me and it doesnt bring me any satisfaction to one shot a newbie. Sadly, same mentality is not shared by alliance, where they enjoy most to gank and be in clear advantage (party or raid vs one) or when you dont have disadvantage, you run away.
Yes. It works perfectly for you guys, because you have the stimulation for it (gear from quest), while for us it doesnt work because we receive nothing. Only time lost and frustration. Yes Blizz, dont change nothing. Side the alliance, as you always did since the game launched.
As I said, they have a goal to complete wpvp achievements. But if the 10% doesnāt worth the trouble for you, turn wm off and be done with this problem?
Iāve never been āperma-gankedā and I donāt know what it is. Opponents did me 1 vs 10, 1 vs 40, then I did them 10 vs 5 etc, but perma means I always move alone, and it isnāt so.
No, I do understand that you want an āopen worldā which is not actually open. You want to somehow magically exclude all players in it and leave only yourself and your 1v1 opponent. Interesting.
Sorry to break your RP. I have a Horde char too.
Meet me and Iāll show you whoās noob 
Looking at your pvp experience, I think you can estimate the outcome?
PvP includes: battlegrounds, arenas and world pvp.
My ethics are the following:
- ganking low lvl chars is acceptable if it is done to initiate large fights, eg. them relog with mains
- I do not gank low lvl chars just for fun, but if I am ganked, I donāt complain.
- Attacking a char which level is āgreenā (110-120) is a fair game.
- All kind of actions on these high and max lvl bracket is acceptable for both sides.
For the 25 kills quest all you need to do is look for a group. I did it yesterday for less than 20 mins. We went to the capital, first we were smashed by a lot more hordes, but waited for them to move on with their stuff and then attacked again. All done.
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No, it means I mostly wpvp. 1v1 is not relevant to arena.
This sounds totally legitš
yeah I dont tend to do hard core rated pvp ether, and 1v1 dosnt happen in areas anyway, thats the duelest league, and I stay out of that as well, blizzard havent been very good at 1v1 balancing.
ultimatly Wpvp is a more random and wild pvp where things can happen and you need to adapt to them, whats a empty area one minute can turn into a war zone another, while killing a quest mob an annoying rouge decides to have a go at you.
Gank raids thoughā¦ yeah thats a symptom of it not working, if a raid is running around unchallenged the system isnt working, which is what happens when the quest is up.
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You had 10 people with you, including 2 healers and my homie mage and i still farmed you like you were nothing. Donāt ever WPVP again please.
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If they wanted to complete World PvP achievments, how come untill Blizzard didnt offered you buffs and gear you haved WM off? Why now and not at begining of this expansion? Theese achievments are active since months ago, yet only recently the alliance became world pvp-ers. Isnt ironic your statement? Better make tickets and ask thoose achievments for freeā¦iām sure Blizzard will comply with your request as they did before.
Well, since Blizzard started to āstimulateā the alliance, horde players with WM on are rare. Especially starting this last reset. As i explained above, but i repeat for you, it seems you have issues to understand thing, for majority of horde players it doesnt worth to keep WM on anymore. And when i said āperma-gankedā i meant that i always ended in the situation where i was in minority vs alliance players (huge minority).
I want to magically exclude all noobs that think if they go 5vs1, it means funn and joy. That i want to exclude.
So?
I didnt claimed i am a PvP expert. I am a semi-hardcore ( i do all types of content that WoW has to offer: raid, dungeons, sometimes battlegrounds, pet battles,achievments,etc) player that is tired of alliance harrasment on world quest locations and flypoints. I dont focus only on one type of gameplay offered by the game, like you for example (PvP). Ok, i get it, open world pvp, atack oposite faction players when you meet them, bla bla. But when you make a raid and camp for hours a location, just to disrupt others peopleās questing or farm, that is ridiculous and childiesh. Just now, during todayās evening invasion wq, alliance camped Stormsong Valley for 5 hours. I came back almost every hour, just for curiosity to see if it is still camped. And i saw some names every time. How much āfanaticismā a player should have, to camp a wq location for 5 hours, just to gank others?
True PvP skills includes only arenas. Thatswhy most of PvP pro streamers, stream mostly ( 80% of theyr streams or videos) only arenas matches and sometimes battlegrounds for chill or relax.
And how can you be sure that everyone has a āmainā to relog, just to revenge?
I am sure that if the actual situation would be on our side, Horde to receive buff+gear and players to form raids and camp your continent, you would cry out loud on this forum. Dont be a hypocrit person.
A lvl 110 char has around 280-300 ilvl. That means that the player has around 40 to 80k hp (depends on class) and halved stats (main stat,armor,crit,haste,bla bla) compared with a 120 lvl player with a 385 ilvl, that has almost 200k hp and double stats. That 120 lvl player can almost one shot the 110 player. This is fair game for you? No commentā¦
At least in arena is not 10 vs 1 . Thats the ideea i want to point.
Thats the problem. When the quest is up, horde players are forced to turn of WM and loose thoose 10% bonus reward. Basically, Blizzard, to ballance things, they dont only offer to alliance freebies, they also sabotage horde with this.
Alliance pvp-ers are active since the beginning, and we never complained. Blizzard offered a bigger bonus because of Alliance pve-ers who cried like little kids of being outnumbered. IMO there shouldnāt be any bonus at all, leave wpvp to wpvp-ers. Bringing into wpvp people who have no true interest in it is a huge mistake by Blizzard. Such people never stop complaining, no matter how much Blizzard is trying to adjust things for them. Like you, wanting to fight only 1v1 in an open world.
If you read my previous post, I wrote that during the 25 kills quest we were firstly overwhelmed by horde. I didnāt want to mention by how many to not sound like qq, but for you I will - we were 5 vs ~30 and wiped 3 times by them. We waited until they leave and then managed to do the quest. So play a bit more wpvp but try to change shards, before coming to a conclusion that horde players in wm are rare. At the moment it seems to me rather like faction balance 50:50 in wm.
Donāt go personal on me, it only shows you in a bad light.
Mate, do you know what is semi-hardcore? Looking at your armory I donāt see much of it. And if you look at my achievements, you would see that I do not focus only on pvp.
Who are you to define ātrue pvp?ā In Blizzardās list thereās only āpvpā, and it includes the three activities. Maybe they should hire you as a consultant? 
If they donāt have a main, there is General chat.
I am not a hypocrite, you make assumptions about me wihtout knowing any bit about me. If Horde camps, they are most welcome, this is what I want - city raids, town raids, attack and defense. Youāre simply judging others based on what you are, well itās not so.
Yes. if Blizzard made so to receive any kind of reward from him (hk, honor), it means itās a fair game by the gameās principle.
Then play arenas? Leave wpvp if it frustrates you so much and as you said the bonus is not worth for you. But you did not react to my comment before to turn wm off, pretending you didnāt read. Whoās the hypocrite?
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Ey that was fun! And thatās the point. Thereās gonna be variable skills, variable co-op in a pug, variables like me running off from my group hehe. WM is casual WPvPā¦ itās about fun. Whatever is fun, do that.
I had fun with you and your pal, and will be doing the same at other assaults, farming Horde. We must have gotten a few hundred kills lol. Again, and againā¦ and againā¦ So, your request for me to wm off is denied 
FYI, calling me out like that may be reportable, not sure, see forum rules. Just a heads up.
It is working, because both sides have the same tools to form groups. Player choice. If that choice is to retaliate, awesome. If not, thatās Hordeās choice, and they can accept the consequences. Itās just a game ofc, consequences donāt really matter.
Thereās nothing stopping Horde grouping up and forming a retaliation raid. Thatās what we hope for. Horde supposedly has more pvpers, which means reward should be the wpvp.
Example: Yesterday, we were outnumbered by a Horde raid at Stormsong assault by what seemed a full raid. I died pretty quick, but by the time I ressed they were gone. They just wanted one of our two bounties. I guess they needed more incentive to stay for a fight, would have been fun battle win or lose. Seems both sides have players that only wpvp for reward. For me, the reward is the wpvp.
If we can reduce those just playing for reward, only wpvpers will be left. If we get to 10/15% bonus, that reduces both Alliance and Horde pveāers. Equals more wpvpers on shards. Better wpvp. During the last 15%, wpvp seemed noticably improved, more fighters!
Looking back in forum, at posts made few months ago, it seems that you are in a self-contradiction.
If i remember, you was the one who started to be personal:
Remember now?
Another example, that you only look only to the whole and dont pay attention to details. If you woulded look in details, you would notice that this account is a new account and that its first achievment done on the account was in begining of december. So, taking in consideration that i played only 3 months and that i have /played only 20 days, i think the number of achievments on my account are quite more than majority of players who played similar time with me.
I didnt defined ātrue PvPā. The comunity did. And the proof exists in comunity streams and videos. Did you saw a streamer making a stream with how he is camping flyghtpoints and ganking outnumbered enemies and enjoying it? No. As i said before, ātrue PvPā, is shown in majority of videos or stream, only in arena ,not wPvP. Show me one video, where a well known PvP player like Swifty for example, is doing what your alliance is doing now. Just one video. One link. Can you please? 
I just prooved you above, that you are.
Well, taking in consideration the usual behaviour your proud alliance has, when in high number they have guts to ādo honorableā wpvp and when they are outnumbered they run or are absent on map, i think you contradict yourself.
As it is fair for alliance to receive freebies? Right? If Blizzard decide to send to all alliance players a full BoD raid set, mythic version to your mails, it is fair for you? Another example of your maturity to understand things in lifeā¦
Cant you come with a logical and normal answer? Why always, players like you find this type of answer the most obvious? I explained 10 times above, that if you remove the WM, as a players, beside the fact that you loose the 10% bonus reward, you also loose the conquest points for invasions. And as i explained above, thoose conquest points, are the only conquest source for some players. That means, the player who turns off WM, because of your āproud and honorableā alliance harrasment, has denied access to full game features, because you exploit and abuse this system. And i am not hypocrite. I answered and gaved you logical answers to this topic: turn off WM. But the only thing you and your alliance buddies know to answer is : turn off WM. Really? Thats the only logical answer you can give? Do i have a feeling or you have real understanding issues? Its like talking with a retoā¦you explain him 10 times a argument, but he answers only the same answer, again and again and againā¦
Its working only for your side. Few months ago, the forum was full with alliance complains. Back then, it didnt work. Now it works. What a miracle. God bless Blizzard for that.
You cant reduce it. Now the incentive was created, the reward exist, groups and raids are forming for this purpose, so players that are non-pvp are comming and joining, only because the group and the ideology exist and take advantage of it. Before, when it was no reward, the ideology didnt existed.Therefor the world was empty with "so called " alliance wpvp-ers. Now, this quest turned wpvp into a abuse and total harrassment. Blizzard clearly failed this topic and didnt anticipated alliance players behaviour. Wich, even my cat, woulded anticipate.But this is another topicā¦
The only option is to remove permanently AOO quest, remove the 10% bonus reward and then we will see who is true wpvp-er. I have a feeling that 98% of alliance will keep WM off, as prooven in the past.
Pveāers of both factions were reduced when we were at 15% for several weeks. WM was noticably better, with more wpvpers in our shards. The quest works. It acts as a cull system. Temporarily more Alliance pveāers, Horde pveāers get reduced, we hit 15%, Alliance pveāers wm off, Horde pveāers have been reduced, better wpvp.
Then, horde pveāers gradually turn back on, till we get back to 20% after a few weeks. Then repeat. Itās worth it for the better wpvp at 15%. But also keeps things mixed up and interesting. But, thereās a chance to reach 10% if a % of Horde pveāers keep wm off at each 15%. Should mean actual wpvpers on our shard, instead of too many pure pveāers, that just arenāt interested in a fight.
You want to explain me that during the weeks when the alliance receive the freebies, horde players are denied access to 10% reward and conquest points from invasion,because of your abuse and harrassment, is ok and normal? Np, lets sabotage half of server (the horde side),by denying them access to wq rewards just to encourage the other half (the alliance) to enjoy camping flypoints? Really?Thats your argument?
Cant you realise that this turned into a abuse and total harrassment? It isnt world pvp, its total masacre. Alliance is camping for hours all invasion wq and also majority of important locations, on purpose, just to release theyr long past frustrations on us.
https://gyazo.com/4503f33ba077362c88bfd8a7cd3afabd
This looks like funn for you? They chased me from the interior of the cave, where the wq was located, untill there, just to kill me. 4 vs 1.
https://gyazo.com/f88f02880f7e676aeb4af7f998db29a9
A invasion wq location, camped by alliance assasins. As you see in the chat and minimap, there are around 7-8 assasins nearby. Not to mention the aditional āpersonalā, the peons that came there for free kills.
https://gyazo.com/767dda1a38d02ef1c8664be0b565c452
I tried to complete the wq, ignoring alliance, hoping that they dont atack me if i dont atack them, yet the screen prooves what honor you have.
And i have plenty more screens like that. This is what you encourage? This is true WORLD PVP?
Here a update: today, sunday, 03/march/2019 ,time: 16:20, realm time:
https://gyazo.com/b8fd4df22ee928bb5244a4a315aa5816
Camping horde secret chest, just to sabotage and dont allow us to pick it, especially that is a timed event.
https://gyazo.com/5652ff8926682f47cba52a83e4ad99ba
Look the mage i haved selected in the screen. Does that mage looks like a true WORLD PVP-er or like a leecher (that came for free kills on the work of others)?
https://gyazo.com/b4ef2f7c1c0f35fb952d9ab5c0db57a6
Quest location one. Camped. Check.
https://gyazo.com/4d5945ce09a77754c08f14a5dd99c2c7
https://gyazo.com/1ed4cfd77df852e5bc6392d8a7bc9282
Quest location 2 and 3 camped. Check.
And so onā¦
Now that i presented you evidence, what arguments you have to contradict me that the alliance is NOT camping, abusing and harrassing players from the oposite faction? What explanation you have that even newbies, bellow 120 join this, although they are āvery true pvp-ersā?
So for me , the only options i have are 2:
- Try to do this invasion with WM on, but waste minim 1-2 hours or even more, to die,revive hit a quest mob,die,revive again and hit a quest mob, and so onā¦so that at the end i get thoose 50 conquest and the 10% bonus.
- Turn WM off, quit this invasion because it has no sense to do it without WM enabled.
Any choice you do, if you are as you pretend, a intelligent person, give me a reasonable answer, not craps like : āturn WM offā or " its a mmo" or āthis is lifeā.
But itās not abuse or harassment, it can ONLY be that if rules are being broken. There are no rules, whatever can happen should happen, anything goes. Alliance players are free to do whatever they find fun. Whether you consider this wpvp or not, that is War Mode. WM should be turned on because this is what you wantā¦ not because you want fair fights. We have duels, arenas and bgs for that.
Player choices dictate the outcomes. I think a problem for many, is considering it a solo game, when itās a multiplayer game. You are free to choose to play solo, but as you found out, there can be consequences. How you adapt to that, will determine your gameplay. Choices.
Forming alliances with other players is not always easy. Those that go to the trouble of using easy lfg, get the benefit of quick help, but also drawbacks of playing with sometimes uncooperative unknown group members. Those that go to the trouble of joining a War Mode in-game community, they get benefits of playing with people they know. But communities, are harder than lfg to form, takes more effortā¦ but groups are stronger, a good benefit. In my wpvp community groups are small, but we use lfg to pad them out. Works pretty good. You also have friends, guilds, local defence. Those that go to extra effort, even lfg, should get the benefit.
Point is, those that group up when required should be rewarded with easier wpvp, thatās the point of the group. Those that donāt group up, should be disadvantaged. Itās all about choice.
This is true World PvP. Multiplayer. Anything goes. No rules. Choose to co-op or not. Group up when needed. Or play solo and accept consequence. Choices.
I didnāt even suggest WM off ![:stuck_out_tongue:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/stuck_out_tongue.png?v=6" ":stuck_out_tongue:")
I just reported you, he doesnāt have to.
Please learn to differ between real life and a game, this behaviour is just wrong
Edit: typos
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A lot of this can be solved by giving Horde clear incentive to group up just like The Alliance has.
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A logical and normal argument is to make difference between a game and rl.
And I just reported you for this:
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