[SPOILERS] Patch 8.2.5 spoilers

That could just be a stylistic design choice

Where will Blizzardā€™s ruthless campaign of homogenisation end?

Hasnā€™t been mentioned thus far (that I know of), but it looks like Saurfangā€™s pendant has a world model now. Maybe his [grunts honorably] world tour is coming to an end, and he lays it down (or dies or something idk)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/330400845944455170/607309833603121162/2019-08-03_19-52-35-8r3232w6.png

Iā€™d argue that trolls already provide the guerrilla warfare part, and that all of the tribal races that live in savage landscapes are more than capable of the survivalist part as well.

Gonk never fights beside the Darkspear, they just gain his blessing. The only one youā€™re right about is Bwonsamdi, if weā€™re using his summoning of the dead to aid the Darkspear and the Zandalari as a sign of him ā€˜fighting.ā€™ Meanwhile, the Zandalari have the favour of way more loa than just Bwonsamdi and Gonk.

I suspect that it is, to be honest. Worst case scenario though, is a future where you can pick any race for any faction.

Well, I say worst case scenario, but thatā€™s probably a best case scenario for lots of neutral roleplayers and ā€˜nightborne would never join the Hordeā€™ roleplayers out there.

Alliance to horde ratio will get close to 9:1

Who would want to play Alliance though?

I think thereā€™s few groups that have gotten cold feet about being in the horde

They are no longer part of MY Horde!

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Honestly some races like Darkspear Trolls started out with a handful of mudhuts in Durotar and a ghetto in Orgrimmar (back in Vanilla), so you could have argued about their presence being warranted. However, both the darkspear and the Vulpera share the same space as another larger subfaction thatā€™s part of the Horde, so having them as an allied race makes as much sense.

Iā€™d argue against it, the jungle trolls of the Darkspear tribe are a minor troll tribe at best, their only saving grace is that they have the backup of the New Horde.

The Zandalari have never shown to fight in a guerilla capacity, unless you consider riding massive direhorns, or dragging gigantic devilsaurs through jungles, plains and forests as guerilla warfare.

And apparently not many have mastered the survivalist skill, since the orcs have suffered multiple resource shortages and had people starving in their (and the Hordeā€™s) capital city.

Fair enough, Iā€™ve yet to see Gonk get truly involved with the Zandalari either, outside of sending you to fight enemies in a quest.

Currently waiting for my laptop to return before I can continue the Hordeā€™s Zandalar questchains and the war campaign.

Well, that is him fighting though. He apparently does not fight directly since he only summoned the death to fight for him and empowered Rastakhan (oh and get his rearend rekked by 25 alliance champions while he only summons some magical hurt balls).

Yā€¦ you do know the Darkspear still worship most of the Gurubashi pantheon, right? And having their favour and worshipping them is something entirelly different then facing a existentional threat to both the Loa and Zandalar together, right? Because if we use that logic the night elves have the favour of almost every Wild God.

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lol didnā€™t matter when Teldrassil got burned pewpewpew

Didnā€™t matter when the Alliance invaded Zandalar either, so in essence we can conclude that the ā€œZandalariā€ Wild Gods (aka Loa) do not actively work for the Zandalari tribe, that they do not have their ā€œfavourā€ and that only Bwonsamdi is an exception by giving Rastakhan a (apparently) minor power boost, or smth.

So the Zandalari bring literally nothing new to the table, compared to the guerilla warfare and survivalist skills the Vulpera bring.

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And the vulpera are a small collection of nomads who live in a corner of a desert. The size of the population doesnā€™t change that both the Darkspear trolls and the vulpera have adapted to guerrilla warfare in their respective environments.

Survivalism is not relevant to creating or living in an urban population centre such as a city. Itā€™s relevant to surviving on your own or in a small group in the wilderness, living off of the land. This is something that tauren, trolls and orcs are all known to be capable of.

This is why I find the claims that vulpera survivalism could somehow help with Horde agriculture and logistics a little weird. Surviving in the wilderness on your own and feeding a city require vastly different skills.

I suggest you finish them.

So do the Zandalari. The Zandalari also worship most of the Amani and Farraki pantheons. The only pantheon of loa that theyā€™re known to not revere are the Drakkari.

The Zandalari have also demonstrated a much stronger connection to the loa than the night elves have to the wild gods of Hyjal, with all of the magic that theyā€™ve acquired from the loa over the years through reverence and bargains, meanwhile what the night elves and the wild gods have can best be described as co-existence.

If you want to act like the vulpera bring more to the Hordeā€™s table than any other allied race or that they bring something new while no other allied race does, I wonā€™t stop you.

I think youā€™re hyping up the vulpera way more than Iā€™m looking down at them though.

I think you look down on the Vulpera more then I do hype them :man_shrugging:

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Then weā€™re going to have to agree to disagree, because itā€™s been made evident weā€™re not going to see eye-to-eye on this.

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Whatever peopleā€™s views on them, vulpera are very likely to be playable. Love it or hate it, itā€™s happening - best we can do is just try to get along ! :smiley:

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When have we ever done that?

Never, but we can try!

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I wouldnā€™t mind if someone made a Purge Squad Alliance guild to help Vulpera ease into their new role as members of the Horde.

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Remember.

Grab your sword and fight the Horde.
Red is dead.
The Red Beast from the West.

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