Still the truth. The Tauren desperately need their moment to shine, not be either cheerleaders or punching bags.
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Magatha needs to take over. Letâs go
No thanks. We donât need a crazed villain, we just need a normal, decisive and Cairne-like leader.
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Yeah Cairne would be ideal. Taure. Desperately need a spined leader. Someone whoâd actually put their own people before everything else.
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Yes. I only hope they make Baine grow a spine and take after his father more, since we donât really have anyone else to lean on at the moment.
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Baine was nearly great - he just needed to openly resist and much earlier rather than just making a couple of snide jabs and then only emerging to help the Alliance
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When you realise baine just really likes gossip and backstabbing
Popinâ up out of freakinâ nowhere is exactly what I expect from a game. Since it would make for a horrible game if we were forced to somehow watch the full development of stuff.
âDear diary. Today I made yet another tiny step towards a new necromantic power. Will keep updating this diary for the next 8 years to make sure noone gets a tear in their eye when I finally use this awesome new power. Yay! Great storytelling!â
No. Development will take place off screen. And then, once finished, pop up out of nowhere.
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Itâs a shame. He has so much potential. I still hope they put more effort in him. Each scene he could have been a badass, aka defending Mulgore against the Alliance after Taurajo incident and helping Highmountain during Legion was removed before it made it live, which is a crime.
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Now that I think of it, taurens have less moments than gnomes or goblins.
Fewer 
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Weirdly I feel the opposite.
Sure, we donât need a diary explaining every little step. But I would still like an explanation of how Sylvanas can suddenly raise non-humans. It used to be an established limitation and now it⌠isnât?
The change itself isnât the problem, the fact is that itâs more like a retcon rather than a conscious development of the characterâs abilities. Itâs like if in an issue of Superman suddenly he didnât need the sun for his powers to work, with no explanation given what so ever. Even comic books will at least have a single speech bubble explaining a change, not just pull it out of thin air and have everybody pretend itâs always been that way within the setting.
âSuperman! I thought you needed the sun?!â
âI donât because of this McGuffin Muffin I ate off screenâ
âOh, okayâ
Far, far better. Still sucky. But significantly better than it just⌠not being acknowledged or brought up. Thereâs this thing called world buildingâŚ
I doubt anybody here would have as much of an issue if it was explained, even in an offhand comment in a single speech bubble during a quest. We donât need a blow by blow of how it happened. As said, it comes off as a retcon since nobody seems to be batting an eye at the change in limitations of her necromancy.
Correct. Blizzard just has a dedicated button in the office that they press whenever they want people to feel sorry for the Horde, itâs labelled âKill more taurenâ. They hammered that during Cata, pressed it a few times in MoP but now it feels like theyâre dusting it off again.
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If I recall correctly she claimed she could raise non-humans in the siege of orgrimmar too.
It isnât out of the blue.
Heh. How bittersweet
Same deal there.
She says she can raise Lorâthemarâs soldiers.
How he should have responded: âWait hold up I thought you could only raise humans?â
Instead he immediately told her to not touch their bodies, suggesting that he was aware of her ability to raise non-humans already.
That was out of the blue too. Could have done with a âMy valkyr are stronger now, death need not be the end for the Horde blah blahâ whatever at a bare minimum. We can assume that it happened but, again, seems like a retcon than an in-universe character power advancement.
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yo when did the alliance develop azerite tanks off screen I never saw them in the workshops I never saw the blueprints what the HECK is THIS PLOTHOLE
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I admittedly miss this in the franchise. The new elements are often pulled out of thin air and brings a slew of inconsistencies with them, or the established areas are reworked simply because of the nostalgia tied to them.
For once I would like something new that has no close ties to what we already have, isnât added at the cost of something else being undermined, retconned or devalued, and is added for narrative reasons rather than ârule of coolâ of nostalgia.
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Completely ignoring what Iâve already said.
The development can happen off screen, but an explanation or passing comment should be on screen.
Horde developing weapons in the novel>Start weaponising it with vehicles in the Darkshore quests>Peaks with a tank at the Undercity.
Alliance take notes from the battle and develop their own tanks>Alliance tank world boss appears>Nathanos goes âHey they have their own Azerite tanks now, rip them to piecesâ
Even if most of the Alliance developments with Azerite happened offscreen compared to Horde, itâs not hard to imagine how it went down. Either in a similar fashion or they just straight up stole the idea. Nathanos then acknowledges the presence of Alliance Azerite war machines and notes they are a recent development in the Arathi world boss WQ dialogue.
By comparison, Sylvanas can raise non-humans now because uh⌠a deal with Helya? Maybe? Are her Valkyr stronger now or something? Itâs hard to say because itâs a break in the logic the setting presented us with in the past. Thereâs no obvious answer.
The main problem here is nobody acknowledges the sudden increase in Sylvanasâ necromantic ability. Not a single peep is heard of anyone wondering how sheâs able to raise non-humans now despite it being an established limitation for anyone except the Lich King himself. Who had the backing of the powers of Frostmourne and the absolute peak of necromantic powers (Itâs how they swerved around the difficulty in raising undead worgen yet having worgen DKs).
Nobody would complain (Well, I wouldnât anyway) if this change was at a bare minimum acknowledged.
âHey sheâs raising non-humans now too, that ainât good, how can she do that? I dunno but itâs still not gud.â
Bare minimum to achieve comic book writing and they canât even do that. If they donât, itâs not progression or character power creep, itâs a retcon. Letâs call it what it is.
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I understand how youâre thinking. And at some level, sure, I would like to know the how or why as well. That is sort of in the nature of nerds who spend way to much time on made up things.
But at the same time, when I see things like this:
I ask myself âDoes it matter?â It was established. Now it isnât. And that is really all we need to know. Because itâs a game. And itâs going to be whatever the writers need it to be at any given time.
In fact this way a game-series like wow is very much like soap operas like Days of out lifes. Everything can change if the writers need the change.
A bummer for those of us who would love to see a ârealâ world and understand it. But thatâs just what it is.
Youâre not wrong. But as a writer you should at least attempt some consistency.
Referring back to the Superman example: One day the author decides he actually freezes things with his eyes and melts things with his breath.
Does it actually change anything? Probably not. But it would be weird and goes against established rules with no explanation of any kind, not even the absolute bare minimum of an offhand comment about a mutation or something.
At that point itâs just a retcon, which isnât always bad but as we all know Blizzard loves to drive a lawnmower over any lore or rules of the setting that gets in the way of the story they want to tell NOW.
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Agreed. I think a writer should atempt that. And Iâd love to see that.
But I think the format of a game series doesnât support that. It is more like a soap opera. A slight rhing that happened in season one will be forgotten and contradiceted several times by season 9.
Because the story is always in ânowâ. And whatever is written ânowâ is what matters to the game.
Not saying I like it. Just accepting that it is the format.