as someone who wanted to just play+complete ICC for atleast 1 time before cata classic over at wotlk classic
dont care much about the loot / gdkp
i just wanna play 1 of my fav. raids and 1 of my fav. video game final bosses 1 last time (in a proper way )
it was still impossible for me to join becuase it is so gone rampent
even with pre-raid ICC bis you can get from all the HC/emblem vendor & etc,
and classic era is also this much gone bad with this
SoD gonna be like this if nothing has done
the fact i saw 3x GDKP different runs at same time already is worrying
Yeah and they already have pots of 800g+, no f*** shot they dont all RMT
so that casual dad in here who was doing GDKP run
good luck you will have a 2nd. job now farming gold becuase you will soon have to compeat against this to play the game
or buy gold and support the game going to be worst for legit everyone becuase âme me meâ mindset and even risk a ban
GDKPs is more grindy to do if not buying gold than any other loot system
and WILL make grinding for not just gold but maybe mats for potions or gold for potions for the raid also more grindy aswell becuase of botters/hackers going farm and empty out the world from that not even putting those items in auction house just making the items more rare so they go really far up in auction house
becuase those botters just vendor stuff
you know the whole supply/demand concept economics 101 basically
GDKP runners be like: the solution is to better ban bots and hackers while ignoring WHY they are doing this in the first place
normal people: ban both GDKPs, botters/hackers so there is less reason for bot/hackers & GDKPs go to this rampent in the first place
becuase they basically feed from each other longterm
Join guilds, make your own raids. People have always been selling gear. This is nothing new. A good example would be the entire economy built over years in retail where selling curves, key boosts and mythic mounts basically supported the entire economy of the game. You didnt need GDKPs for that to happen.
This.
Reality is blizz will never be able to remove bots or rmt, only fight it.
And the most effective way to do that would be to simply ban the mechanic that makes it possible for players to buy the main objective of the game.
GDKPs effect the WHOLE game even if you are not joining them
legit try to see my example what i have being in over at wotlk classic
100% impossible to join legit anything all thanks to GDKPs
thats the whole reason why i made this thread
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Everyone has a choice of what loot system they enjoy and support, as long as people keep joining GDKPs they will continue to be run.
If you donât like GDKP then donât join them, if everyone thinks the same they will be a minority.
Unfortunately for you, other players do enjoy GDKP, and they vote with their feet.
Itâs just Supply & Demand. (People want GDKP raids, so people make them).
Itâs also democracy. You canât dictate what loot system people enjoy using.
You can argue they impact the whole game, I donât believe it personally.
People would bot and buy/sell gold no matter what to avoid farming weekly consumes etcâŚ
If you join a guild, or SR runs, then you donât need âcrazy goldâ to buy BoPs.
I donât see how GDKPs existing would effect SR spots or Guild recruitment.
Sure people ask for Gearscore or Achievs etc⌠but thatâs not because of GDKP.
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GDKP becomes âmetaâ is the thing that makes it effect the whole game
it took me 2 month in wotlk after i got pre-raid ICC bis gear on my mage
and still not found 1 single grp/guild that do non GDKP
becuase legit everyone doing them becuase thats the meta now becuase of how it works and reward the player at the end of the raid
meanwhile also feeding gold sellers/botters
and if you dont have a âbudgetâ like you if buy alot of gold or do farming for like +200hours 24/7 basically or already alot of ICC to be a âpumperâ too bad you cant play PVE content at all
those guilds/grps prefer to invite somebody with alot of green just dinged 80 with many BOEs from AH
just as long they have gotten the gold to put into the pot when bidding on a GDKP run and when a item drops
over someone who did legit everything to prepare for a raid
thats the issue and how it just effect everyone even them who dont join GDKPs
becuase it just become so everyone doing them on the whole server/game so no guild runs is forming at the end and no non GDKP runs is happening at all aswell as unable to form a non GDKP too
GDKPs just do major damage to the game as a whole even just beyond gold sellers/buyers/botters mainly becuase its the âmetaâ to do so everyone do it now
legit making the PVE content unplayable for people who may be abit âlateâ (not even by alot)
also the between when i first dinged 80 over at wotlk classic
to now
the min. bid price on gear for ICC also have gone kinda up alot i noticed
and i DONT want SoD to become basically this
and Classic Era is not far from being This bad either
Join a guild that does things more casually, there is more than plenty of those.
People insist to hammer their faces on a stone wall for no reason whatsoever, making mountains of molehills.
Hereâs a tip for you: go to ironforge.pro, select your realm and you have a list of big guilds/communities there, who practically accept everyone and all of them run raids just fine, at least as far as SoD goes.
My main is in such a guild and there and do around 15 BFD runs per reset, free for all - every day different hours, just sign up in discord.
GDKP is such a non-issue in SoD, Iâm genuinely surprised there is such a huge thing done out of it here. And by the way, I probably myself down the road at 60 join a few such runs just for specific key items and Iâm quite glad there will be such an option too,
GDKP is not a big issue for SoD âYetâ
made this thread becuase its gonna be later on 100% becuase GDKP runs is the Meta thing to do and gamers always gonna do the meta thing no matter what
why i want blizzard to do something about this dumb meta legit just anything
again âmetaâ dont mean the most healthy thing to do for a game
or âbestâ solution for âallâ (mainly just you the player who do the meta thing to do)
it just mean what is the most optimal to do no matter the cost even if the cost do so other players may just be locked out from the game complety
BUT with all that said:
already in trade chat on lonewolf(ally) i saw like 4 different runs was trying to form at same time the other day
so it is starting to be bad
its already âstartingâ to be as bad as classic era is(it is not yet as bad: reminder i said âstartingâ)
and i can easy see it getting as bad as wotlk classic or inbetween classic era/wotlk
and classic era with GDKPs is already pretty bad
idk about hardcore fully(why i mainly just compare classic era/wotlk) but honestly wont be surpriced if it is even worse than classic era there
mainly becuase gold is properly even more in demand there becuase of people are dying so big lost of gold from time to time
so i can see people buy gold more often there
and GDKPs/Gold selling and buying go hand in hand
some gold sellers dont even need botting
they just pretty much just farm theirs gold via GDKPs raids: becuase sometimes the min bid price and the bids just go that high
Your angry because GDKP get gear before you, say it!
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Says who?
itâs like poster above saying - is, per chance, all this whining simply because you donât like the fact that others get gear before you and you just mask it all behind these apocalyptic prophesies of âthe end is nighâ?
People do this because itâs the only loot system where you actually get something as a PuG even if you donât win anything. There is no DKP or EPGP to be had with pugs, so at least people get gold.
And itâs also a completely optional loot system too - you donât like it? Donât join it. There is plenty non-GDKP groups out there and guilds exist too.
complety ignore
how i keep on saying GDKPs effects the whole game and my wotlk example on the longterm effect of GDKPs to the point there is no non GDKP left at all:
looking legit everywhere discord servers, forums & etc. looked for 2 months
everyone over at wotlk classic just doing GDKPs (classic era is not far off from this either)
and the requirement for even joining one is the WoW equal to like: job interview: you need to have 30 years of exp. BUT we need you as a 20 year old : aka impossible and in my case:
having Pre-Raid ICC BIS slot for everything but they only invite people without ICC gear that just have a ton of gold to put into the gold pot when bidding on a item drop
and make it so in the longterm the only grps/guilds left is GDKP ones
GDKP makes up the demand for gold so botters/gold sellers going rampent
to the point gold sellers hacking so much there is no more mining/herb nodes in the world becuase the camping them and teleporting to them
and all sort of side effects like this that just gonna make the game basically unplayable
and GDKPs is 1 of the main sources of income from gold sellers basically
but sure i ignore this issue when GDKP runs do its effect for the whole game
to the point its gonna be like wotlk classic and almost classic era: pretty much unplayable unless you buy gold yourself
its not gonna be âoptionalâ if the only thing people want to do is GDKP runs and the only guilds/grps that is forming is GDKP runs like over at wotlk classic
thats the whole issue with a unhealthy thing for a game that just become the âmetaâ thing to do(no matter if that meta thing to do is healthy for the game or not) if nothing is changing more and more over time gonna do the meta thing so there is almost non no meta things left basically
but yeah lets complety ignore what i keep on saying with this topic
really good idea so this issue can grow and grow and before you know it
trade chat has become âLFM GDKP chatâ basically
no one do normal guild runs anymore they just do GDKPs
and requirements to even join that âeco systemâ when it really start to get going is either impossible or buy gold and alot of it
but sure this is about im not getting loot instead of something that complety ruining the game longterm basically
again GDKP runners and theirs âME! ME! ME!â mindset
becuase they cant think beyond âME!â so ofc that guy think its about me whining not getting loot
people who say âignore GDKPâ and âGDKPs dont do anything wrongâ or defending GDKPs like this is is really having the âME ME MEâ mindset becuase
it is a complete fact GDKPs makes up alot of the gold buying
and gold sellers do all the bottings
and all those side effects happening becuase of this
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You seem to have some GDKP trauma in WoTLK with token sales.
So far, in SoD there is barely any GDKP if at all, yet bots are rampant.
So, I ask yet again, why are you so maniacally focused on something that clearly is not an issue in SoD?
Iâm not really interested in these prophesies of doom here., how one day we wake up and there is only GDKP around.
the thing is its not just over in wotlk classic
it is also heavy like this over at classic era
and gonna be like this in SoD if nothing is done about it
its clear to see that when there is at times 2-4x different runs trying to form in trade chat at same time and seeing afew GDKP guilds too already in SOD
infact i say SoD is already looking to be worst on GDKPs than vanilla right now
and reminder GDKPs boost gold demand so much the botters is going insane:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Figo46xCT84
again even if âignoringâ GDKPs its not a options and just effects everyone if you like it or not
thats the whole issue about GDKPs
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So many items and services are expensive irl so lets delete the whole world cause it causes criminals to go insane 
Yes its the biggest gold sink , yes many ppl spend their bought gold there and nobody is denying that, but just as many spend legit gold in it or using it at some point as a way to get a particular item even thou they have guilds.
GDKP spamm is not going anywhere and the reason u see it that much and practiced by so many is because ppl like it , want it and participate in it period.
Some ppl cry on forums âbla bla bla theres almost no other raids ,but gdkpâsâ and then " nobody likes them delete them from the game".
Sorry my man and all the salty naysayers ,but its not going anywhere. It is legit way to spend your currency however you want and even if that is incentive for many to break TOS and risk their accounts it is not a reason to remove its existence. Not in a democracy world where ppl get to spend their gold however they want. I dont care if ppl buy gold to participate. You have a house do you ? Lets destroy all houses cause they are expensive and are incentive for ppl to " break the TOS " . I dont care about some individuals calling me clown around here and i already ignored them and cant even see what they talk, but this is my opinion and i also have the same right as all of the naysayers to share it!
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Basically the above.
If you want SR runs or MS>OS then make them yourself. Otherwise support them by joining them to create the demand.
If there is not enough interest because people join the GDKPs thatâs just the peoples choice.
I think you will find there are plenty of people interested in SR and MS>OS runs.
There is incentive on raid leading in both situations, either you claim a cut for setting up the GDKP, or in MS>OS runs you take people less likely to contest your items and have a free way to gear yourself quickly (even quicker than GDKP, the leaders there have to save up their cuts and go all in at some point).
It may sound shady to âbe the only clothie in the raidâ, and in many ways it is, but everyone does it. People also quit SR runs when they see others needing the same items etcâŚ
Ultimately, all loot systems are available to join, there are simply more of the ones people prefer.
Anyone can be a raid leader. Especially in this content.
and just right now on lonewolf(EU) ally today
the trade chat has just become as bad as wotlk classic´s with GDKP spam and many different runs: seeing like 5 different at same time
GG
welcome to world of Botcraft now or World of PayChineseBotterMoneyForGold
i can official say it has become worst than just Classic era: and we are only at phase 1 and reaching wotlk kind of levels of GDKP cringe
and reminder all the side effects of GDKPs that effects legit the whole game: so dont be like âjust ignore themâ : you cant since it effect everyone like you cant just âignoreâ a hunter´s pet being broken and a balance issue if you are not playing a hunter
it is a issue that need to be fixed
but the GDKP runners cant becuase they just have the âME ME ME!â mindset
they will happily ruined the game for a loot
and then wonder why everyone is leaving the game and the only one left is sweatie tryhards
Look at all this GDKP spam, itâs unbearable!
Oh waitâŚ
Same with LW horde side constant GDKP spam in LFG. Price setting for min bids and incremental increase.