if blizzard does not do a tuning pass and just does it the lazy way aka take those nerfed sets as they were the 5 sv players who will play that meme will suffer to no end with s1 / s2. playing s3 for another “season” will be borderline mental even thou for overall content it was the broadest set this addon.
so the question is, can we expect blizzard to be lazy or not?
season 1 set = good single target dps - so bad aoe (we got nerfed 10% mongoose bite)+(set got nerfed)
season 2 set = delete (set was not bad, but got nerfed on ptr like 2-3 times)
season 3 set = average single target dps - good aoe (but no one wants to play the same thing over and over again in my opinion)
whichever it is, no one will invite us. because they don’t want to outdps by a survival hunter
I have to agree and mostly you do AoE in mythic+ and i just love pressing those bombs Spear grants incredible big Crit but also +dmg for ST so its not that bad
And alone Mongose Bite doing preety high yeh.
We need to look at numbers, being despised for the whole expansion doesn’t feel good.
And nope, in my opinion S3 is much more fun to play, it gives a little dps cooldown with different feel, i like playing S3 set, it’s just fun instead of being boring passive.
What’s the fun in interrupting Fury of The Eagle just to get a bonus ? As survi there is a lot shenanigans to do good dmg, so simply bonus set is better all around, less sh*t to track. They can ajust numbers and also I don’t think they gonna leave nerfed bonus set, they nerf it because they wanted to force people, to use the new set and that they should not mix them.
Interrupting makes sense only on ST. And no, Surv is not that complicated, compared to other classes. And S3 set causes i’m not ashamed of my overall dmg on high keys. Can’t say the same about S1 set.
whoever is not voting for s3 tierset is not playing survival currently. I even swapped mains bc it’s so edited by moderator fun. S1 is boring flat dmg increase, the S3 tier added something to the class. Gonna throw a tantrum if that’s not winning in the end.
As they already said they will balance the sets according to s4 (the s1 nerf was so you wouldnt play it over s2, therefore most likely will be buffed).
But that being said, my opinion on picks.
S1 - Great “new” fresh air (we playing s3 currently) with potentially amazing ST and also s1 m+ wasnt bad at all. Also I just love MB (bring back AotE bug back as feature, the good one where the 4set wasnt consumed but just used, AotE AS CD???). Also for people saying its a “1 button spec” if S1 comes back. Sorry but it seems u havent played S1, esp with the new changes to us after S2 we wont be spaming MB mindlessly EVEN in ST. Tho ofc MB will be our major of button presses its no where near 1 button only.
S2 - Most of it is already baseline, so i would hope they have to make a decently new tier set? Tho they can also just crank up 2p and 4p by a bit (2p by alot). Anyways funny choice but the most risky one (as the tierset itself is dogshiet, gameplay wise compared to the other two, but they could come up with smth crazy).
S3 - It’s good. Having FotE as a actual cd that u can reduce the cd of is amazing. Having a decent aoe and ST with it and the diversity it gave us in builds is amazing. BUT we are currently playing it and if they wont do major changes its pretty much s3 all over again (current FotE with djaruun spear is nice to imagine). Then again it would also show blizzard, hey it seems all 3 survival players like FotE being a cd the way it is currently maybe we can change some talents stuff to make it in talents or make RM 1 pointer and add S3 2set as another node after RM smth like that. Also yes this tierset makes us quite strong and the gameplay loop is imo great but again i rather wish for them to make 2set baseline somehow and the reseting nature of FotE baseline lol(wishful-thinking.exe).
In Summary safest votes are either S1 or S3. But as we are currently playing S3, S1 would bring “new” wind in also ppl shouldnt be so focused on numbers they already stated they will change the tiersets to be somewhat good for S4. S2 is the funny troll vote as the tierset is baseline, therefore they have to crank it up like crazy or change it.
Also i want to remind ppl that this will show blizzard what kinda Set we like and maybe want even baseline in the kit (as they already did with others and our S2).
you are right about us not catching most others with high aoe but we did “better” dmg as in on focus targets, usually i just deemed myself as the prio dmg dealer. And on Bosses we also did mostly good. Also it was fun for me to play.
Do remember that they specifically mention retuning sets for this reason:
“Please keep in mind that we’re going to update the power of the set bonuses to match the increased power of the new gear in Season 4, so any bonuses you choose will be tuned to be as strong as any others.”
In other words, tuning to potentionally weaker sets is going to happen regardless of the end result.
Furthermore our bad S1 AoE was mostly our bad baseline kit, we didn’t have Lunge bomb CDR yet, we didn’t have the now baseline 40% primary damage yet, and we have gotten several tuning passes over the course of S1 specifically targeting AoE, which included Fury of the eagle bug fixes (which nearly doubled its damage) as well as Explosive Shot buffs. and some other buffs.
These are all things that still remain now, and we would be in a much better place with the S1 set.
Just look at our S2 set, no one talks about our AoE performance back then despite that set not even being drastically stronger than our S1 set for AoE specifically. It is just that these AoE buffs were all in place by then.
I voted S1 primarily because of the way it changed the rotation actively throughout by responding to procs, as well as it detaching Fury of the Eagle from your Single Target rotation. While it is a cool gimmick, holding your Fury of the Eagle for AoE moments or vice versa is inevitably going to be a damage loss for whatever you are not optimising for at the time.
Additionally, with the promised retuning it likely needs to be in the form of a butchery buff on the set bonus, which would be a nice change of pace considering butchery these days barely does 3% of your AoE damage anymore.
For those worried of S1’s MB playstyle being too MB-heavy, also remember that we didn’t have that 40% primary bomb damage or lunge bomb CDR at the time, meaning we actively avoided bombs in ST treating it more like a filler (this was the case even without the tier set). With todays tuning, this will certainly not be the case and we’d be actively using bombs frequently.
Lunge + 40% primary target bomb damage can change everything, but the season 1 set still needs to be buffed or restored like the old version. Season 3 set is decent, i just don’t want to play the same thing over and over again (probably like most of us). Season 2 was so bad, i didn’t like it at all. My vote goes to the season 1 set (even though it’s not very entertaining). I wish there was a new set.
