Yeah, the early seasons did not have it as I mentioned above and was added around November of 2007 wich is season 3 release and Season 4 in June 2008.
Welfare gear was also a comon term back then as they required no rating, like the merciless gear and was purely honor as outdated gear and you could also buy the Season 1 gear for pve tokens at the Isle of Queldanas as they became discontinued from the Honor shop and it was not added until Cataclysm again when transmog came out at Area 52.
Season 3 gear still required rating durning season 4 but only the shoulders and weapons and shoulders used to be a prestige item because of that.
In Classic TBC the outdated PvP gear will require no rating at all as they removed it for Classic.
The Arena point system also had a complete rework for the better in Classic since the 5k cap would carry over the next season and you could purchase 4set on day one.
I donât see a problem here. It was in both, original TBC and TBC Classic and I am more than sure it will be in TBC Anniversary.
Secondly, rating itself (or more precisely MMR) is a tool to prevent the gaps you mentioned from happening. Sure, more skilled players will have better gear due to rating requirements. But you also donât meet those players in your matches due to MMR difference. In the end, all is balanced out.
The only problem here are speculative players (which includes arena boosters) that know ways to purposely lower their MMR to meet low-geared, less skilled players. This is the only time you as a newbie may encounter a well-geared seasoned arena player. But thatâs a whole another topic which has nothing to do with rating requirements on gear.
I just accidently deleted the âtâ and when i manually wrote it again it was automatically made into a big âTâ on my phoneâŠ
Not like i quoted u and modified it to something else entirely
One thing I did not mention from experience are that we will have season 4 meta from day one with dmg on shadowstep so everyone will play sub instead of mutilate unlike real TBC.
Step became a thing in late Season 3 when SWP cameout with the talent buff and later even worse with Season 4 a few weeks later.
So yeah, unless you have a good 5v5 team at high rating that can cap Arena points you will get one shot by glass cannon rogues.
Mages will also no longer have detect magic like they had in real TBC so they could not spam it for extra dispell, making it alot easier for Priest comps.
Youâre a tresure trove of information Decus, I did not expect this much info. I apreciate you taking the time! I will go quite blindly into TBC-pvp and Iâm looking forward to experience it. Warts and all.
Seeing as most people are guessing that the arena gearing will be like in Classic TBC and not original TBC Iâm currently planning to gear up quickly with pugs for now. Hopefully my friends wont mind but it might be a bit akward to navigate.
Another option would be to wait until me and my friends team plateu and go grab weapon and shoulders with pugs after that occurs. Iâm not sure whatâs best but now atleast I have a feel for how itâs going to work and what I need to do.
There was rating requirements on original TBC and it was like that on privates, was 2k rating for shoulders in season 2/3 and 1850 for wep. 2.2 for shoulders in s4+2050 wep.
Dont rly remember original season 1.
Hmmm, I wonder! Most people I have spoken to seem to claim that TBC original didnt have any rating requirement in S1 and S2 and that it was first seen in S3. Idk though, I just came here for information.
Well it was so much time ago may be wrong, ive started 2 play late in s2, and became big pvp fanboy in s3. My AI answered " * Rating requirements:
Merciless Gladiator gear was the Season 2 set, which would have had rating requirements to purchase with arena points. These requirements vary by item slot (e.g., 1850 rating for weapons and 2000 for shoulders)." Tho it also may be wrong
OP i bet you loved your welfare rank 14 gear in vanilla anniversary. Seeing everyone walking around with it makes me wanna puke, totally killed classic for me. No and just no, Keep the rating requirment as it was. Mabye its time for you to learn and try to get better instead, thought of that?
Youâre talking as if getting rank 14 had anything to do with skill before.
Everyone spammed premades and colluded for brackets, now they just made it so you spam PvE content in AV.
Good players will still stomp less skilled players with equal gear, therefore I see no reason to have rating requirements just how it was in OG TBC.
Like getting rank 1 require to snipe the right comps etc. its not skill there just luck right. Its a time investment. Everyone was bad back in the day. You say good players will stomp less skilled players with equal gear. Good why complain then, outskill the opponents and get ur rating required gear, what are you on about? Can you just admit that ur not that good, and want wellfare gear so you dont have to feel bad. There will also be powerfull PVE items being used in arena. Do you want the that pve gear handed to you aswell?
Vengeful Gladiatorâs Silk Amice on wowhead, 1st comment have a response that they recently added personal rating to gear from october 2007 wich is right before Season 3 came out.
âAs of 2.3 you will need a personal arena rating of 2000 or higher to purchace the itemâ
Some archives from patch notes; Personal Rating starts at 1500 when you create/join a new team. Personal Rating is required to buy Arena Season 3 (shoulders/weapons) and Arena Season 4 items (all except gloves). You must have a certain personal rating as well as team rating in order to purchase some of the Season 3 and Season 4 rewards.
The archives can be found by googling Arena Personal Rating.
What it actually required was a mass of players making lvl 1 alts and getting 15 hks of a self-ressing bot on them to artificially inflate rank 1 pool. And then running AB premade crushing pugs and wintrading with other premades. Completely degenerate, idiotic, sick system.
Yes, I want S2 weapon for Kael/Vashj progression. If I canât get it without engaging in any real PvP (like I got r14 mageblade) I just wonât engage in arena, I have 0 interest in it as a gameplay concept.
If I canât get it for âfreeâ, it just wonât be on my list of things to get.
By Elune yes! Have them all on a vendor for 5k honor only usable in Arena/BGs. Do you think we want you PvP mongs in our raids, sniping PvE BiS trinkets just so you can use it in your silly little mini game and never show up again? Everybody in your raid will hate the fact you are there, just fyi.
Ye you have no interest in engaging in arena because you dont like it, but somehow you deserve to get the items rewarded for doing high rated arenas. Your logic is so warped. And what do you mean by sniping items in raids. Everybody uses SR system, is that sniping to you or what? Otherwise join a guild that fits a management you like better. Handing gear out for free is not the way and i really hope they dont do anything like the rank 14 change ever agian. Youâre the type of player blizzard never should listen to if the they want to have longevity for their game.
Why are you having a psychotic breakdown over me asking what kind of pvp-system we will have in TBC Anniversary? Seriously, you are loosing your composure and start throwing insults because Iâm asking a question. Are you aware of that? You have some serious issues that needs to be worked on. Are you behaving like this in public, at work?
Anyway⊠For your information, just to let you know where I come from. I havnât even been raiding or doing pvp in Anniversary. I have played vanilla on/off since wotlk original. Vast amount of hours. The amount of pvp and raiding I have done in vanilla is more than Iâd care to admit. I have probably been doing pvp on 3 locks, 3 priests, 2 paladins, 2 mages, 2 hunters over the years just to name a bunch of them. I canât remember them all over the years. So I couldnât care less about your R14 in Anniversary insult. Itâs meaningless to me and you can âpukeâ all you want.
I was done with hardcore raiding and pushing arena rating over a decade ago. I have done it all. Iâm just playing wow for fun and I enjoy the scenery and ranting with friends. Imagine that huh?
I have never had any issue what so ever getting my pvp-gear or clearing raid-content. So when you try to insult me with âMabye its time for you to learn and try to get better insteadâ you are just looking pathetic. Perhaps a child would be insulted by that comment. You have no idea what my experience and skill is. You are only making yourself look emotionally undeveloped.
And finally when it comes to playing pvp, my philosophy is that everyone should eventually have similar gear. Because pvp wins should not be based on gear differences. You are welcome to disagree. But this is my opinion. Welcome to planet earth where people are allowed to have an opinion different from yours.
My reason for asking the question about wether Anniversary would be like Original TBC or Classic TBC was because I would prefer to play with my friends instead of pugging and I donât like to have the awkward discussion and stating âsorry guys but Iâm going to get high ranking and gear up before playing with youâ.
There was always a rating for the current seasons Arena gear while none on the previous seasons which you can buy for honor.
Even then itâs only really some pieces such as the shoulder/weapon that has a high requirement so in S2 you can be geared in S2 gear with the exception of the weapon and shoulders which you could fill with S1 gear and the difference in stats isnât that big tbh.
Never been in arena in 20 years of WoW, so itâs less I donât like it and more I have no interest in even finding out. If I really want to play team based PvP Iâd do some Dota 2 with guildies after raid.
I donât think in terms of âdeserveâ. Either the item is available to me with the level of effort I am willing to give (10 afk losses per week), like all other slots, or it isnât (weapon and shoulder). If it isnât, I wonât get it. I just wonât put it in my sim, no skin off my back, gear is very superficial to me to begin with.
By sniping item I mean getting it and never coming back to the same raid team to use said item to their benefit.
I donât want it for free tho, I want it for the same effort a chest or pants or gloves would require and what effort it did require in 2006. If it canât be had for that effort, whatever, itâs not even that big of an item, not even phase BiS.
The entire question is moot after phase 2 because in every other phase/tier the PvE BiS from previous phase is better than next phase gladiator weapon for my class. Itâs just the Phase 2 spell weapon is slightly better than Kara dagger. If I could get it at no effort Iâd get it before Phase 2 BiS drops for me. That is literally all there is to it.
You ainât missing much, itâs usually about 30 minutes of chasing someone or being chased around a pillar, facing the same meta comps nearly every match and generally knowing the outcome of the game as soon you know what comp youâre up against. Itâs truly riveting stuff made for only the most elite players.
