The end of "war" in warcraft?

Warcraft is when shrek smashes prince charming or smth i don’t play WoW

My laugh reading this

Yet you fought and killed them and their leaders. :person_shrugging: It’s not important if you remember their names. WoW has 100’s of dungeon and raid bosses. It would be impressive if you did.
You remember Razageth and Fyrakk. They were their leaders and you remember them. You also remember Iridikron, the one that got away.

The issue is WoW doesn’t spend enough time on storytelling to prop up the smaller villains or raid bosses. It’s always been like that sadly.

I can also say i don’t remember any of the lesser “villains” from BfA and that was a faction war. It was Jaina… heck that was about it. The first raid was some made up old god but not really and the other was n’zoth. :person_shrugging: I just remember Sylvanas being emo and i so want to forget it.

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I am just curios what happens to the achievements for attacking the horde/alliance cities. Will this now move to a FoS or will it continue ?

I was just filling bars and making counters go up. The primalists were about the least interesting faction of the whole expansion. Like I said, they were just a team rocket for the Giovanni that was the primals.

Edit: I forgot the Djarjadin exist, so they are the second least interesting faction of the expansion. All they got was 1 trash pack in the first raid

While I agree with the shortcomings in worldbuilding newer threats I would argue that the scale of those threats doesn’t matter; they don’t spend enough time on it regardless.

I feel like part of it has to do with the recent change to ‘patch content cadance’, where we were promised more frequent content. We are getting it more frequently, but its constantly either of bad quality or just extremely shortlived, they didn’t up the speed at which they produce content, they just throw it out earlier now with less time having sunken into it.

Other then the obvious faction leaders there were no real secondary characters involved, the warfronts also had big lore names leading them that weren’t faction leaders.

I’m not argueing that BFA’s war was terribly written, I’m argueing that scrapping all future war content as a result is a dumb mistake because if we’re going to scrap everything that gets bad writing then we might as well just delete the game in its entirety, wow’s strength is its worldbuilding moreso then its storytelling (atleast until shadowlands tried to take a dump on that)

See dragonflight, which storywise just is not that strong (atleast in my opinion).
The only thing that will matter coming out of it for the next expac is the titan stuff, all else feels like throwaway content they’re not comming back too
Bel’ameth included.

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I hope this is true. The faction war got old a few expansions ago.

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IF we are generous the faction war become obsolete since we banded together in Legion
If we are not so generous , then it not made sense even before Legion

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I think there’s an argument for combatants in an ongoing war banding together temporarily against a bigger threat, then going back to fighting each other once the threat has passed. This happens in the real world.

I feel like the faction war has become forced now, though. The two factions have been tenuous for a long time, and they’re only held together by a game mode that makes players choose one faction or the other. If the story had been allowed to develop without that game mode, we would have seen races breaking away from their factions, new alliances being formed, and a total restructuring of the power dynamics. That would be an interesting environment to play in and would make race choice relevant for story purposes rather than something that’s mostly done for appearance or endgame racials.

horde is dead and dwarves joining horde faction is nail to the coffin

You can totally market a MMO with different factions without making one side losers or hating themselves.

Aion
SWTOR
ESO
Warhammer

just to name some.

True
But in WoW the sides are more often than not under the four digit
Or three
Races at the edge of extinction after numerous end of the world scenarios “try to fight wars”
And to be honest, I can’t even remeber the why?
Why there is a conflict after WC3 that justify such bloody insanity?
Greymane vengeance against the undead the only one, but that is more of a local thing than global faction war…

90% of my server are alliance like pretty much all of the RP servers.

You are getting ahead of yourself. No one scrapped all faction conflict forever. But it needs time to rest. It’s too repetitive and frankly it can never have stakes while the factions are tied to player characters so it’s pretty mediocre.

I think it was the best of the last 3 expansions so, i gotta disagree. The story started here matters and is leading us into the world soul saga. We saw the rejuvenation of the dragonflights and the return of Tyr and his order and we discovered there is more to the titans than they let on. We also brought a new world tree into Azeroth.
This surely is better than emo banshee scream x4 i serve but now i don’t, i’m angry and now i’m sad oh and boink on the jailer head. :person_shrugging:

I agree. Im a bit confused as to why you thought this was my take but i totally agree. But i don’t think its neccessary for wow.

And i think wows story telling doesn’t work particularly well with the constant faction war. But this is a different matter.

I am actually doubting that, because the future I see is the one painted by the Gilneas event. I don’t believe they’re letting it rest, I believe they are actively trying to write themselves in a situation where it will simply never occur again, atleast it feels that way

There’s nightsabers coming in horde mount armor and wolves coming in alliance mount armor, Gilneas reclamation was a crossfaction event because they simply had nothing for the horde, or maybe they never saw Gilneas as faction specific content

Bel’ameth was even treated as neutral even tho it was the focus for a whole patch and something that was basically a night elf campaign, again, no horde like equivalent faction content, implying they don’t even see it as faction content

0 mention of any of it during the world soul saga, a promise of ‘elven unification’, yet another night elf centric quest (they’ve gotten more lore this expac then the dracthyr but that’s a different discussion) with no horde equivalent coming for 10.2.7 (atleast not that I am currently aware of)

Maybe I am getting ahead of myself, but the writing is on the wall and in my eyes its very obvious where this is going

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First, you have an issue with time description. For the time being faction war should be put aside cause it’s repetitive and it’s been done 3 times already. This does mean at least a decade away from it. Which is not forever but it’s not gonna come back now.

It’s mounts. Who cares? We are playing characters, not factions. You do understand that you are not the faction, right? The players aren’t the factions in lore. The written characters are.
We are players and we like things and that is no way affects what happens with the factions, but it improves our gameplay experience.

Oh stop it. It’s the emerald dream. That is connected to the Tauren druids as well. Horde had the undercity reclamation scenario and the Baine story in the ohnaran plain.
But if you want to send the Tauren to the alliance i’m sure everyone would be ok with it. :rofl:

Stop the drama and enjoy the game. If faction war storyline is all you were here for then you really overlooked a lot.

I am not argueing about faction war not being a thing, that was the OP sentiment and while I do mirror it, my arguement is they seem to be writing the conflict out of the game entirely. Not all expansions have to focus on faction war but I feel like DF and what we have been shown and told of the future are trying to paint a more permanent way to write the game, by example of Gilneas questline and 10.2 being a night elf campaign horde characters had no business being involved in. It showcases how they plan to write the future, which to me was again confirmed by the gilneas story line being accessible to both horde and alliance. So I’m sorry but your word alone is not enough to convince me that this is not what is happening versus what Blizzard has so far put into the game since dragonflight.

Normally I am the last person in the world to care about mounts, but blizzard doesn’t just tell their stories through plain text, the wolf is a very orc central mount that they put in night elf armour. The nightsaber is a very nightelf central mount that they put in orc armor, its not the fact that its mounts, its the implications that these designs of these mounts have. My arguement is not object driven, because as objects, yes you’re right, they’re just mounts, but if that’s what you’re focussing on, then you did miss my point.

And yes, Nelves don’t have sole claim on the Emerald Dream but in the end all we were doing there was prepping the new Night Elf home to come into existance onto an offshore content island of the dragon isles (again I feel like this will not be a good thing in the future for night elves). But we weren’t there to do anything for Tauren, we were there to help prepare for the arrival of a world tree that would function as a new capital city for an alliance race. And no, you can have Baine but the rest are still cool.

This is also not Drama, these are legitimate concerns of mine for the direction that the story seems to be going in based on all the things I already listed, you can call it drama because I don’t agree with your sentiment that this appears to be a temporary thing because nothing is indicating that it is, infact there’s more things indicating that this will keep going, again, according to the thigns I have listed. If you want to still my doubts, counter my examples with your own, don’t just say I’m being dramatic for not agreeing.

As for us being the players and not the faction, the first choice you make in character creation (or maybe second I guess if you count gender but its the first choice you make even before you choose the race and the class) is the faction, you can pretend that the faction is not a part of your character, but that’s just not true because choosing one is part of the character creation.
Even the neutral races have to choose at some point, its not a nothingburger, its a meaningfull decision.

Edit:
I also want to state that I think this new way of writing the story isn’t based on faction bias or a desire of the writers to end the factions, I believe this is simply a choice of efficiency, because when there’s no factions, you don’t have to write different perspectives for the factions and you can just create one story and be done with it so they can push content quicker

And honestly I don’t think the idea of them lowering the quality to push more content is that alien of a concept looking at the last few months of wow

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Ok good. That is what should happen. Content for everyone, everyone wins i don’t want the partition you want nor do i think it’s beneficial for the game.

My only partition is that Blizzard should not write off faction conflict permanently, which I feel like you agree with based on your own conviction that the lack of faction conflict will not be a permanent thing, unlike my fears tell me.

I was just trying to correct some misconceptions about my arguement there.