You slowly tank rating as solo,you get a +10 key great,nobody wants to join though cause they see your highest in that dungeon is a +7,same applies when you search for group,you want to join a +8 but your highest is +7 nobody will take you.
So you fall in a loophole,the game has become so elitist i had no issues whatsoever running +14 and +15 in legion and bfa(didn’t play DF)
So bliz should give a dungeon tool for M+,you invite random people anyway so what’s the big deal,i’d say 50% of so called mid/high rated rio ppl that i’ve come across don’t even interrupt,don’t even know how to play their class so there’s that.
Dunno how you are struggling to get people to join your keys, when I was pushing they always filled up eventually. A LFG system for m+ is a terrible idea.
in a fortified week i also dont want to play with someone who only finished a +7…
it is much easier to get a +10 key on fortified weeks but then tyrannical hits on +10 and many dds just fail so hard with defensives on tyrannical fights
You cant possibly think that an automated queue would solve this problem?
If m+ was so far toxic, then prepare for the annihilation by the sea of toxicity you will experience in such a system.
Both m+ and classes are currently royally screwed still.
The tank nerfs were a very clear mistake. And the heal changes are no different (increasing the health pools without buffing the heals).
So the 2 most critical roles are both pretty miserable to play.
Then we have this wonderful philosophy that each key needs to be abandoned on the first hiccup now, taught by the +7 affix and by the timers which are the main enemies this season in almost every dungeon save for ara-kara / dawnbreaker / mists(?).
Oh and putting tyrannical and fortified together right on the loot cap key level is also a mastermind idea, especially after they moved tyrannical/fortified to m2 in 8.0.1 because “we dont want to have big jumps in difficulty on m10”.
You see, there are numerous “questionable at best” decisions here that all contributed to a m+ environment where everyone will impose the most strict requirements against randoms they possibly can.
You said whats the problem is, yet you fail to fix it? Why do people except a quick solution and then come moan into the forums, when the quick solution doesnt give em what they want?
Guys…Some people are late comers,they did not play from the start of the expansion,that is what i am trying to explain.
What are those people,including myself,supposed to do?
Some people also like to run alone,including myself.
I didn’t come here to moan like the folk above said,it is just silly,a LFG tool where it puts you with people of similar rating wouldn’t hurt anybody.
In my opinion one of the problems is that they skipped the first few easy key-levels.
Not that I’m all sure todays difficulty is directly comparable to last expansions 2-20 if the first seasons to this new scaling (0)2-10.
FYI I’m just a scrub doing just a few keys pr week, all mostly 5-6.
Yea , you and all the other dps will simply join that dung via your tool.
All the tanks and heals wont .
Wanna know why? Cuz they wont have to.
Look, even if i rerolled , as a new tank, i would hit 600 ilvl with random items and delves, then i would hit key that will fill instantly , cuz im tank, and it will fill with people way above what i would get in ant random lfg stuff , so yea , why do i have to make it harder for me when i can get carried just because i play a role in demand ? Same applies to healers.
Your lfg will be flooded by DDs and nothing else, ques will be so long u will quit before u get dung
The average DPS player is absolute clueless and awful in WoW, imagine doing a LFG tool for m+ and getting the same people u see in normal or heroic dungeons lmao
No tank or healer would NEVER EVER que a lfg tool because u are already herding cats as is
The game is in a dire need of proper balancing first. Until then any sort of automated “matchmaking system” is pointless, folks will leave the moment they see a class they don’t want to be paired with, metaslaving bs is real.
The frequency of how often these topics pop up show that a system like that is in high demand. The current M+ can’t be mapped onto a LFD-like approach due to a myriad of technical and design issues, but I don’t think this is a big problem. Normal BGs, Rated BGs, and Blitz BGs scratch the same itch for PvPers but all work entirely different. Some form of a key-less, affix-less “fun” M+ version with normalised abilities and / or group-wide power-ups might indeed help less hardcore or less social people to get into WoW PvE. Scores between modes should be calculated separately, if course.
So, you drop your key to 8 and go do an 8, upgrade it? Great, drop it and do a 9. Given the way key levels are this season it’d be foolish to risk someone who is 3 levels down on a key, that’s not elitist, that’s just sensible. And no I’m not going to go look at what you were doing in Legion or BFA, that has little bearing on what you can do NOW.
How is this going to solve your problem anyway, your problem appears you to want to skip key levels. So in your system you just completed a 7, is this LFG tool going to now give you a 10 and group you with people who are averaging 10 keys? It’d be a weird system if it did, because your average rating one would assume is at best around the 7 mark, so even if you +3 a 7 it’d want you to +3 7s across the dungeon pool to raise your average score before then giving you an 8. It’s not going to suddenly give you a 10 and match you with people playing 10s, if it did it’d be broken.
Anotherone of these. The answer is NO. Absolutely NOT.
Of course if you havent done a 7 nobody wants you in a 10. Get all keys to a 9 and then maybe we can talk about systemic problems. But untill then, you gotta go up the ladder like everyone else.
And it was like this in Legion and BfA. Nothing has changed in that regard.
A +14 and a +15 in legion/BfA correspond to a +4/+5 right now. They squished the key levels. And as in BfA, I am 100% convinced that you have zero issues finding keys at those levels. So nothing has changed from your perspective.
NO ! If you really claim that you are a Tank that “knows what he is doing” then I am certan you are very well aware what happens when you put random people in a group.
You know exactly what to expect : Healer that cant heal, DPS that cant kick, ect… its not about being elitist. Its the fact that an LFG tool will NOT acheive the results you seek.
And I know. For certain. Because it has already happened 3 times :
Dungeon LFG tool for Heroic Dungeons in WotlK : Absolute disaster. Dungeons went from being a meme to being super hard because of random people. Result : Nerf them to oblivion and add an “extra” difficulty level on top of it with out Dungeon LFG tool.
LFG for Raids : Absolute disaster. They had to nerf the content so hard to prevent it from being a wipe-fest.
LFG tool for Solo Quew : Absolute disaster. The “random people” are so bad that they are unhealable. Basically, if you are a healer you have a guaranteed loss by participating in Solo Quew. So bad, that healers literally stoped playing and wait times went from 30 min in LFG to 2h sometimes 3h with the automatic tool.
And why were all these 3 times a falure ? Because WHO you play is important and fundamental to the success of your runs… And if you give the power of group forming to Blizzard, then the success of your runs becomes Blizzards responsibility.
And the ONLY way Blizzard can take responsibility of this is by nerfing content to oblivion.
That is why M+ needs no tool. Because doing the same thing but expecting different results is the defention of insanity.
I also want a LFG, but as a separate option not as a replacement for current M+. There are many people who want to stick with the current format. Let them. If they enjoy it, be my guest.
But for players like us who don’t like it and haven’t liked it for many seasons now, make a LFG M+. Let us work out all the issues others think there will be. I’m sure that I can make a LFG M+ that works way better for me than the current M+ system.
I think from the perspective of a proper challenge, it’s fair to say what Uda said. Whenever content you can queue for is too challenging for a pure pug group, there are many complaints and the content usually gets nerfed.
I also think quite a few people log on just to have some relaxed fun and have zero desire to butt their head into a wall repeatedly or battle their way through a matchmaking system every day. In that sense LFG and LFR are amazing.