How? I am asking you. How?
…and that will happen in your dreams.
So yea, keep dreaming. Classic Anniversary will do fine or better with this changes.
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on the 20th anniversary of WoW blizzard announced that Classic is DEAD and GONE FOREVER.
Going forward, the incompetent interns at blizzard/activision will be using every new iteration of Classic as an “experiment” to “collect data”
It’s impossible to please everyone without shooting yourself in the foot
They decided to go one way, a part of the community “lost” that fight, and it is what it is
Honestly I believe this was a good decision from them, we’ll inevitably have the losing side screeching and demanding reverts and whatnot, but give it some time and they’ll eventually accept or quit, and both options are just fine
In the end, Blizzard is providing a highly requested product with QoL changes, and the majority of the community likes it (what I gathered from multiple high pop community discords, guild discords, people ingame, etc), so Ani Classic will turn out just fine
For now, let the other side vent their frustrations, they’re free to do so, it helps with acceptance
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Just hopeless people that try to cope with the fact that Healers and Tanks will now have a life outside of Raids at level 60.
Sure, you could have farmed with a Healer Spec or with a Tank spec at 60… but you could also go to a cheap skank somewhere in an alley and get an enema, doesn’t mean you should.
With Dual Spec you will finally be able to have a proper Raid Spec while also being able to farm world content without having to pay 50 Gold to respec and then another 50 Gold for raid night.
Almost anyone that I know decided to roll up an alt just for gold farming (Mage, Warlock or Hunter) now I wonder why that is the case? Surely not because constantly respeccing was too expensive and simply not feasible.
But yeah, at this point I am tuning out all of those people who seem to think they can dictate what is the spirit of vanilla and what isn’t. Hell, the OP claimed that they have the right to dictate it because they were there from the beginning… well so was I, does that mean I also get to dictate what it means?
The amount of #NoChange people that worship Chronoboon and it allowing you to play without raid logging is baffling, but suddenly Dual spec is the problem with Healers and Tanks now getting more access to the Game?
Also - No one knows how much it will cost or when you can get it. Maybe it will be locked behind level 60 and 1000 gold?
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No.
Everyone’s just looking up “gold farm classic wow” on youtube and they’ve got 30 options for each class.
No.
Players were known for many things - being good in pve, being good in pvp, being nice/mean, being gankers/helping when needed, reaching goldcap etc.
This isn’t Retail. “Rerolling” took weeks to level up and more weeks (at the very least) to get some gear.
Nice of you to imagine people are going to get a chance to roll on items.
It’s almost as you’ve never seen people making groups excluding anyone who might roll on their items. Like you’ve never seen “lfm whatever, everything HR”. Yeah, no.
People rolling need on items that are not for their class? You mean…like warriors taking healing cloth and weapons because oooh, diamond flask?
Ah, sorry, shouldn’t have said that, I hadn’t noticed you were a warrior. Pure coincidence.
Who cares, it was already happening. Like 99% of the wars were making ubrs groups excluding rogues because they wanted the truestrike shoulders.
Oh, no! Not that! That sounds horrible! God forbid a human becomes good at more than one thing!
Tanks and healers will go anyway, for the usual price, but there’ll be more people able to tank/heal.
Nonsense.
Nonsense, he’ll simply be refused entry, as he was before, because his dps specs are a joke and they’re not getting fixed because of people like you, who just can’t stand the thought of anyone else feeling good while they’re playing a game. So you just keep spamming your nonsense everywhere, #nochanges, out of this ungodly fear that you’re no longer going to feel special.
And if he wants to tank, yeah, let’s see who doesn’t want a tank.
They’re all easy anyway, with the last raid being gated by world buffs and consumables. Other than that, you can be a keyboard turner and clear it.
Right, so because I have dual spec, I’m going to solo dungeons, because now I don’t need outside help, right?
Have you considered even an attempt at making any sense whatsoever?
Also, I’m going to assume that you know that dungeons bosses (5m) have been solo’d and there public guides on how to do it. Right? …right?
They’re still better than your fake arguments and fake concern.
No, they don’t.
Right.
You do 500 battlegrounds in three weeks and get rank 14, usually by behind-the-scenes collusion and you get the rewards - that’s fair. No problem for you, because with the character you’re showing in here, I wouldn’t imagine jobs and partners take too much of your time.
I do the same 500 battlegrounds, but in three-six-nine months, with 0 collusion, playing when I can, juggling real life and a game - well that’s unfair to you, why should I get the rewards? How are you going to feel special then, right? Sure, I put in the same effort, maybe more, but I didn’t nolife it, QQ. Sure, you got the rewards like 6 months before me, but that’s so unfair, I shouldn’t get them at all, right?
Pathetic.
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Its exactly what need to be removed from the Classic: goldsinks.
Because we are not kids anymore and many people me included have a lot of IRL money. But some like me are not cheaters and do not want to become cheaters. It makes honest players like me who do not buy gold have a disadvantage in the game.
I remember in Classic when playing both PvE and farming PvP BGs for rank how people easily changed specc from PvE to PvP and back. So when did they have time to farm the gold if they did both PvP and PvE? Well obviously in discord they admitted to gold buying.
Myself I got R14 and did raids with my guild but I played a lot PvP in PvE specc just as farming the BG and being at a disadvantage cause I did not want to cheat and buy gold and I did not have time to farm for the respeccs. I dont want to play a game where you have the option “be cheater” or have disadvantage.
Since Blizzard is unable to remove bots and goldsellers then its obvious they have to remove goldsinks so players dont get a disadvantage for being honest. Or if not just give the token and legal gold then I do not care. If its legal and not considered cheating I can buy 1 million gold from Blizz.
So its either no goldsinks or wow token or cheaters, bots and goldsellers.
PS. I am against changes to stuff that was relevant in Vanilla. Changes to stuff brought by privateservers like worldbuffs and other meta is 100 % good. And BTW SOD was worst thing ever with classes doing stuff they were not supposed to like Shaman tank and with raids being ruined since no longer a 40 man wipefiesta.
So please dont say SOD was alternative it was all the bad changes. The good changes is removing value of gold from the game (removing bots, goldsellers and GDKP) and removing world buffs would be another great thing no one like to sit around a flower for 20 minutes being idle. Its not what we did in Vanilla its some private server meta, we who played and payed to Blizzard on official servers for 20 years do not want to play private server Classic but relive the Vanilla experience with advance to TBC ofc.
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Do you understand the concept of inflation? Lack of gold sinks means everyone have more gold and things become more expensive.
Also the fact that you were doing PvP in a PvE spec is the whole point - so was everyone else. Most players use some kind of hybrid pvp / farming / raiding specs in early phases. Now every warlock will be SL, every warrior Arms, every priest SP, every paladin Ret. There will be a dual spec meta for every class and everyone will follow it
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Dumbest take I’ve seen, in months. I can’t… your IQ is too low.
Ok you win enjoy your fresh.
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There already was a meta. You are making it sound that with dual spec new builds are gonna be viable. I dont know why you are complaining. How do you know everyone else was PvE spec, there is option to respec that is a good gold sink right? Right? Those players could all be PvP spec. Or you argue that people played PvE spec because they could not/did not want to farm that amount of gold to respec? So if people are not respecing how is it a gold sink?
To be effective Gold sink should affect everyone equally. Repairs are a gold sink that affects everyone. Respec cost isn’t that. It obviously doesn’t affect DPS Warriors and Hunters all that much unless they want to do both PvE and PvP. Nor does it affect Mages past certain point. Healers though? Priests, Shamans, Druids and Paladins? Let me ask you an Era Paladin a question… Do you enjoy not being able to do a simplest farm with any degree of efficiency without first paying a tax? Do you enjoy being forced to put an extra work compared to Warriors, Mages, Hunters or even Rogues just so you’re not limited to raid logging? Because I don’t think many really do.
And even then that precious gold sink fails in its job. Tell me how much gold average player on Era Firemaw currently has? Because by the time Wrath hit people had tens of thousands of gold lying around making the economy seriously inflated for a newcomers. Prices on materials were so high that you really needed nice wad of cash to even consider doing it through AH.
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Hi! Professor can you enlighten me how chronoboom, which did’t exist in vanilla, affected server economy? Do you have numbers to compare gold sink from chronobooms and respecs? Which burn more gold? Such experienced player ofcourse played classic before chronobooms patch and after.
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As a fierce Classic lover i can tell you from my perspective Dual spec is a welcoming addition. I main a warrior and i love World PvP however due to the fact i have to raid 2-3 times a week, giving away every time 50g is not the best option since i also have to buy 300+ gold worth on mats.
This will not be a problem anymore.
However you do make 1-2 good points on the negative things that will come especially to raid leaders that might ‘‘blackmail’’ hybrid characters with ban loot if they don’t change on demand…
All in all iam happy that ill be able to dps as fury then go do some PvP as arms without worrying ill go bankrupt…
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Wouldn’t the same raid leaders basically force their players to play a specific spec in the first place before even accepting them into the raid? Because all of us know that Ret and Tank Paladins, Warlocks and Shadow Priests were not welcomed in such pugs in the first place.
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What is the value of a high PvP rank if everyone can attain it, and everyone can have high Warlord written above their head… ?
What’s the value of a Rolex watch if everyone can wear one ?
What’s value of a Porsche of everyone can own one ?
Don’t you understand such basic concepts ???
If you can’t understand something as simple as that…
If you can’t understand why Chronoboon is a net negative for the game…
If you can’t understand why layering and megaservers are antithetical to Classic…
You are literally hopeless, if the IQ is so low that it prevents you from comprehending the long term ramifications and effects on the game; meaning no point in me engaging here anymore.
Enjoy this monstrosity of a fresh, before you go back to your beloved Retail.
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Proving again, the changes are not a problem, you not being elitist toward players anymore is.
If you no life 16 hours a day for 3 months for R14 and i do it trough 2 hours a day in a year, whats the difference? We invested the same amount of time. Its a system so stupid that its unthinkable they even came up with it in the first place, where the goal is who will no life the game more. Not skill. Just hours invested. If you think making the game more accesible to people and incentivize them to do PvE and PvP is bad, wtf are you doing playing an MMO? You wanna play with 500 people on the server?
How many players achived R14 in original vanilla and how many in classic? Same with raiding Naxx? You will never get that 2004 feel ever again, we solved the game.
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Dear god you can’t be this freaking delusional can you? Did you seriously compare those three things together?
Although to be absolutely fair all of them are worthless whether few or many have them as they only serve to flatter your own ego and false sense of superiority.
The PvP rank is especially sad example as it proves nothing else than someone having way too freaking much time on their hands. Not skill, no ability - just time.
They are indeed. But so are dying servers and later merges. Ultimately forming bonds with people is just up to them…No matter how large or small the server is it’s up to you as a player and person to form the bonds if you seek them. That’s how guilds operate. And if in a giant server hopping able games like XIV people can form friendships and recognize one another I’m pretty sure that WoW players can easily do the same.
Coming from the person that compares video game achievement to owning expensive car that’s kinda rich honestly.
Sorry to break it to you but the reality changes. And this time around Classic doesn’t have the added benefit of COVID locking majority in their houses giving them much more time they can “waste” on MMO. And if you believe that inconvenience and hardships are the essence of MMO then maybe it’s you who misses the point of WoW ever since Vanilla
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Lovley who cares bout YOU being dissapointed rly ??
If you want authenticity feel free to stay on era ok.
No everyone wants a carbon copy of what we already have in fact this utter nonsense being spouted is just that…nonsense.
best thing u can do is just accept that dual specs being included and stop making posts about why YOU as a singular person dont like it.
Face facts here your in a minoritory of ppl on this blizz already decided to do this and thats that …
If ds ruins these servers do you really care? Will it affect you day to day ?
The answer is no.
Why?
Because you have the standard era servers…
Honestly i dw to feel like 2004 again lol the new servers arnt designed for the 2004 mindset either, in fact most of the players back then are now parents.
What im saying is that era and indeed the anniversary servers are crafted for todays players the old guard such as myself need to adapt to these changes thats why we have peeps crying bout dual spec and ramifications when they already have servers that are mostly vanilla flavour up to play when they want to.
Oh my…Thats a long post about me,me,me,me
Here is a kicker for you: This is how YOU feel about this, not how others feel about the changes. Game is not made for YOU and your selfish needs.
I also love wow classic, but i would rather have changes that are making the game more fun for how i want to play the game. I would welcome even more changes like having the lfd dungeon teleport me to the place i would want to go. I would love to have dual spec so i can enjoy more parts of the game instead of feeling like im doing a chore just to be able to Pvp sometimes.
Just enjoy the game and if you dont… well do i really need to tell you to go do something else?
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So funny when you people want to make changes to the game in order for it to cater to you, and your precious snowflake demands.
But when I advocate for it not to be changed, to stay true to itself, I am ‘‘me, me, me’’.
IQ too high I can’t compete, you’re right pal.
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