The pay to win boost must go

[Dillywilly-stonespine]

You forget this is not the same Blizzard who made BC 15 years ago. This is a subordinate of Activision, an unscrupulous company which will stop at nothing to maximize its short term profit. What they want to do, essentially, is to milk out all the tourists (people from retail and/or from other games looking to give TBCC a shot) for as long as they stay. They saw the popularity influx of Classic when it first came out and they decided to capitalize on that. They care nothing about TBCC or Classic.

@Zivai-kazzak

I would understand if they reset everyone to level 1 for BC and add option to buy boost but this one time boost is nothing but to skip old,outdated content.Its gives you nothing more.

Except that this ‘outdated, old’ content you speak of is not outdated or old at all. It’s extremely relevant. Why do some people have this misconception that all Azeroth content somehow, magically, becomes obsolete at TBC?

You will still need to venture Azeroth for your professions. You will still need to run the dungeons. You will still need to quest in the old world. There are even certain items which you will end up keeping all the way L70.

TBC is not a substitute of the old world - it’s a continuation of it.

@Zivai-kazzak

If getting boost to 58 and having no proffesions,gold,epic mount/flying,decent gear to start with is p2w then what exactly does it make me when I’m fully naxx geared and 1000s of gold saved for start of BC?

The difference is that you did not pay Blizzard for all the naxx gear and 1000s of gold. You most likely spend hundreds upon hundreds of hours raiding and farming all that gold.

[Kemurai-argent-dawn]

@Dillywilly-stonespine

The difference is that you did not pay Blizzard for all the naxx gear and 1000s of gold. You most likely spend hundreds upon hundreds of hours raiding and farming all that gold.

You did pay Blizzard though.
There’s a thing called a subscription that you have to pay each month

[Pettaz-the-maelstrom]

@Kemurai-argent-dawn

If they offer unlimited boosts, then I’d be against it

You’re pretty naive if you think they won’t lift that restriction.

[Pettaz-the-maelstrom]

How the f is dota 2 p2w? xD

[Pettaz-the-maelstrom]

Wait are you for real? Unless you are able to boost and entirely new character you wouldn’t play? Hallo? Why is a server transfer not good enough? There is no way that’s true
I don’t actually think your 60 rogue is real.

[Kemurai-argent-dawn]

@Pettaz-the-maelstrom

How the f is dota 2 p2w? xD

Did you read what that person I was responding to posted?
But I believe dota 2 has this subscription based membership that gives some sort of bonus?
I don’t play mobas
I assumed it was similar to league of legends cash shop or what not.

@Pettaz-the-maelstrom

Wait are you for real? Unless you are able to boost and entirely new character you wouldn’t play? Hallo? Why is a server transfer not good enough? There is no way that’s true

Because you can’t transfer PvE > PvP.
You can only transfer PvP > PvE / PvP > PvP.

[Pettaz-the-maelstrom]

@Kemurai-argent-dawn

Did you read what that person I was responding to posted?
But I believe dota 2 has this subscription based membership that gives some sort of bonus?
I don’t play mobas
I assumed it was similar to league of legends cash shop or what not.

Dota has all heros unlocked from the start. All the things you can buy are just cosmetic or other trivial stuff.

@Kemurai-argent-dawn

Because you can’t transfer PvE > PvP.
You can only transfer PvP > PvE / PvP > PvP.

Oh i didn’t know that. Never played on a pve garbage server. Ask them to remove that needless restriction instead of adding a boost lmoa.

[Taho-gehennas]

@Kemurai-argent-dawn

Because you can’t transfer PvE > PvP.

Imagine escaping to PvE realm and then complaining about it.
They made their choice.

[Angrykaren-nethergarde-keep]

This is my rogue.

Im on a pve server so it’s not possible to transfer to a pvp server

[Khørus-venoxis]

@Kemurai-argent-dawn

Still not P2W
P2W gives you advantage that players not paying would not be able to gain.

so, if your definiton about p2w is true, buying gold would not be pay to win, maybe you think about that a bit more ma dude ^^
everyone has 5k gold right, so buying it would not be pay to win then … yeahh…
if it sounds strange and it feels strange… maybe it is strange

[Khørus-venoxis]

@Sorzza-heartstriker

Which also won’t change the fact that the boost will be in the game, or that the majority of players either supports the boost, or doesn’t care.

you actually think that ? I mean the no caring thing is a no brainer, but all the people that demanded classic will be by default against that. You sure ?
Did you saw that? Thats btw an old classic dev.

Curb Your Boosting

[Gangstar-razorgore]

@anon96065152

Those times are long gone and games are worse today than 20 years ago

Not true. I can name you a few of the best games every made in recent years.Let me name you one: The Witcher 3

@Khørus-venoxis

everyone has 5k gold right

I don’t

[Zenjin-ravencrest]

@Gangstar-razorgore

Let me name you one: The Witcher 3

In the The Witcher 3 you couldn’t buy your way to the end of the game. It actually was a rather proper RPG.

[Sorzza-heartstriker]

@Khørus-venoxis

but all the people that demanded classic will be by default against that.

I am one of these people, and as you well know, I don’t care about the boost

@Khørus-venoxis

Did you saw that? Thats btw an old classic dev.

Yes he is, but the fact that he is one of the original developers doesn’t mean he gets to decide what the users using the product should think, like, dislike or support about it.

In fact, no developer of any software product gets to do that, and I should know, because I am a dev, and trust me, I pray daily to every available deity, mono- & polytheistic, for being able to do just that. So far, neither Odin, Yahweh, Bastet, The Omnissiah, Vishnu, Toutatis, Tzeench, Hel, or Ken Thompson have answered my prayers

[Ligouris-ashbringer]

Being one of the original developers though means that he understands the mechanisms and reward systems implemented in the game to retain the interest of players and create a bigger social environment.
Messing about with those core mechanisms is a recipe for altering the whole focus of the game (in this case from delayed gratification to an instant gratification).

[Khørus-venoxis]

@Gangstar-razorgore

I don’t

iam sry to hear that, but it does not change the argument ^^ So it can be 1 k, 10 k or 100g, take what suits you the most ^^

[Khørus-venoxis]

@Sorzza-heartstriker

Yes he is, but the fact that he is one of the original developers doesn’t mean he gets to decide what the users using the product should think, like, dislike or support about it.

no ofc not, but seeing a decision - that changes the way it was intended in a laughable way - should ring some bells right ? Esp. if its from one of the creater of that thing. Doesent feel this odd to you ?
Pls no “times have changed”, even tho this is abvious true it has nothing to do with this here.

edit: it would be fine if you would say that the boost is fine at this point but this would inclued that you want to play retail and not classic. This would he true then for every probooster or “notcaringabouttheboostbutibuyitwhenitsavaidable” person.
Is this a “checkmate” ?
I just think that, because i would boil down to wanting to change the game to your liking and not wanting classic as it was.

[Sorzza-heartstriker]

@Khørus-venoxis

Pls no “times have changed”, even tho this is abvious true it has nothing to do with this here.

But they have, and it has to do with this.

16 years ago, I might have been a staunch anti-booster. I was kind of an elitist tbh, and in my mindset having to spend huge amounts of time in the leveling grind was a trial-by-fire every character has to go through, lest he be worthy to enter my domain

That’s not to say that this is the mindset of all anti-boosters, that’s just how I know I would have reacted.

Today I no longer feel this way. I have leveled dozens of characters over the years in retail & classic, and I now know that leveling is only a tiny fraction of the games actually played content & has little to do with being a good player (after all, even a very dumb bot can level 1-60 all by himself). So my PoV on the importance of the leveling has shifted, and so has my opinion about a limited boost.

I say “limited”, because my younger self won’t stop kicking the inside of my mind, until I say that it isn’t fine to level all the way. The push 1-58 is fine, a push all the way to 70 isn’t, and neither would be professions, or even being able to get the little push more than once.

I realize ofc that this isn’t really a strong position to argue from, because latest at that point when I talk about what scale of boost i deem okay, it comes down to opinion and preference

@Khørus-venoxis

it would be fine if you would say that the boost is fine at this point but this would inclued that you want to play retail and not classic.

Could you elaborate on that?
I am not sure I understand your position here.

Edit: just realized you did that in an Edit. Thanks, see my reply below.

@Khørus-venoxis

I just think that, because i would boil down to wanting to change the game to your liking and not wanting classic as it was.

Well, don’t we all, I think one would be hard pressed to find someone who has absolutely no possible changes or improvements to the “classic experience”, however defined, on his mind. Even the staunchest of #nochangers suggested changes over the course of many discussions, even if they are just to artificially recreate former technical limitations such as a limitat to server population (vanilla didn’t have a hard pop. limit).

I myself wouldn’t have said no to dynamic spawns, adaptations to raid difficulty (especially since the game released with 1.12.1) or updates to mob pathing to tone down the more ridiculous grind-opportunities a bit). WBs would have been a definite goner in my version of Classic. And if they announced more class-specific quests or any of the cut original content being finishes and released somewhen during classic, I would have built them a small monument of praise.

Just because someone wants to change the game, doesn’t mean he want’s to turn it into retail is my point. And just because a certain change doesn’t bother me, doesn’t mean I would like additional changes of the same nature.

[Khørus-venoxis]

@Sorzza-heartstriker

But they have, and it has to do with this.

the whole reason i wrote what you reverring to is to point out that your interessts are not in line with the nature of classic. Let me explain what i mean.
Its like wanting to play something else in a different way than it was original intendet, like playing volleyball with a football, playing criket with a tennisball or playing golf with a football. Sure you can do that, but then its not volleyball, criket or golf anymore, right ?
The reason i write this down is to underline in red markers that you and other proboosters want something else, you want not classic, because you want that the game is changing for you individual liking (if you think about how many opinions are coming here to together should show how selfish and crazy this actually is)

You will notice that i try to lock the probooster or “dontcasreabouttheboostandbuyit” people down to not wanting classic. Furthermoore a willingness into chaging the game for everyone, because of there individual liking, thats btw (iam sure you have the same opinion) the way the reason retail is kinda bad (imo).

@Sorzza-heartstriker

Well, don’t we all, I think one would be hard pressed to find someone who has absolutely no possible changes or improvements to the “classic experience”, however defined, on his mind.

I have to admit, i should made my point clearer, i left that point way to open for interpretation ^^
A fair point in essence, but is making seal of blood for both factions or changing the drums the same as the boost ?
Yes both are changes but only one of those reasons is speeding up the “retailisation” of classic, thats something i think actually nobody really wants.

@Sorzza-heartstriker

I myself wouldn’t have said no to dynamic spawns, adaptations to raid difficulty (especially since the game released with 1.12.1) or updates to mob pathing to tone down the more ridiculous grind-opportunities a bit). WBs would have been a definite goner in my version of Classic.

Maybe its just me, but the gameplaychanges giving out some retailvibe, but a boost is a 100% implementation from retail. I see a big difference there, even tho i would preferd no changes.

[Celient-defias-brotherhood]

I just want to join the ranks in saying I do not want to play a game with a boost in it. There are way better ways of monetizing and I’m genuinely sad, mad and dissapointed of this matter. I just want to play a game where it doesn’t feel like everything is out to get you if you don’t put in money. Games weren’t about that back in the day and thats a huge part of the experience. If we want the game to FEEL like it used to, we should definately address this monetization issue.

This is my first post in god knows how long in any forum. +10 years I’d assume, but this boost has gotten me so mad it even activated the lurkers. PLEASE at the very LEAST, give us ONE REALM with no boost in it and see how much money it brings you indirectly.