The pay to win boost must go

[Marquiza-pyrewood-village]

@Celient-defias-brotherhood

If we want the game to FEEL like it used to, we should definately address this monetization issue.

We just wont feel the game like we used to, it wasnt the case with Classic, it wont be the case with tbcc. Players changed it too much.
My prediction is we wont feel they boost influence very much, not even close to how 2021 playerbase changed Classic.

[Nomatos-ravencrest]

1-58 boost with AH quality green gear isn’t P2Win /thread

[Zenjin-ravencrest]

@Celient-defias-brotherhood

I just want to join the ranks in saying I do not want to play a game with a boost in it.

@Celient-defias-brotherhood

PLEASE at the very LEAST, give us ONE REALM with no boost in it

Thank you.

[anon96065152]

Blizzard you’ve won

I’ve unsubbed
Classic has been ruined for me.
I’m out
Enjoy the boost whales

[Cupid-stonespine]

You clearly didnt do your prayer to the Omnissiah in the proper way what insents did you use and what oil? Have you tried to pray to the dragon or the emperor instead?

[Spierbundel-bloodfang]

@Celient-defias-brotherhood

I just want to play a game where it doesn’t feel like everything is out to get you if you don’t put in money.

And that’s not TBCC? How is ‘everything out to get you’ by not paying for a one time boost? You can just…level yourself? It’ll only take a few days.
There is nothing this 58 boost offers that is not obtainable through ingame effort and it’s not even a lot of effort. It’s assumed that ppl reach max lvl anyway.

[Sorzza-heartstriker]

@Cupid-stonespine

You clearly didnt do your prayer to the Omnissiah in the proper way

You are probably right. I’m gonna go ask the fabricator general for more toasters.

[Sorzza-heartstriker]

@Khørus-venoxis

your interessts are not in line with the nature of classic.

Ehhhhhhh…well…the thing is, Khorus, when we talk about “the nature of classic”, we are in the same area as with “the spirit of the game” or “how it was intended”, that is to say, our personal opinions and preferences about the game.

Playing soccer with a volleyball isn’t soccer, because the rules of soccer specify in exhausting detail what soccer is, and what kind of ball is required to play it. Such rules don’t exist regarding “the nature of classic”.

For instance, I could argue that, in the classic I remember, only veeeeery few people ever got to see Naxxramas from the inside, let alone kill KT, so the fact that everyone I see in SW is stacked up in T3 is against “the nature of classic”. That’s nonsense of course, but it illustrates the problem with these kinds of arguments.

@Khørus-venoxis

that you and other proboosters want something else

I am pretty sure I mentioned that elsewhere already:
I’m not a pro-booster.
I am an “indifferent-about-the-boost…booster”
I discuss it simply because I like discussing things.

I will probably buy one when it becomes available, but if it doesn’t, meh, fine by me.

@Khørus-venoxis

Furthermoore a willingness into chaging the game for everyone

I don’t quite understand that argument tbh.
How does the game change for you, if I boost a character?

@Khørus-venoxis

but is making seal of blood for both factions or changing the drums the same as the boost

Not really, because the seal/drum changes have a tangible effect on the gameplay, and the boost…well…doesn’t.

@Khørus-venoxis

but only one of those reasons is speeding up the “retailisation” of classic

I could make the very same argument about the Paladin Seals.
One of the things we critizise alot on retail is the overbalancing and overequalisation of everything in the game, the “everything tastes the same” - problem. Well, the Seal Change is a step in that Direction.

But here is the thing about steps:
Just because I take a step towards a ravine, doesn’t mean I will jump into it.
I may just be going to that really good hot-dog stand that happens to be on the way to the ravine.

@Khørus-venoxis

but a boost is a 100% implementation from retail.

I agree, but in this format, it’s not something that will impact the game in any tangible way.

[Cupid-stonespine]

Dont forget to get some oil margaritas and some cyberdongs while you are at it

[Donaldtusk-gandling]

@Celient-defias-brotherhood

PLEASE at the very LEAST, give us ONE REALM with no boost in it and see how much money it brings you indirectly.

The price of a single months sub is $14.99, it was $14.99 in 2004. If the sub had gone up with inflation it would now be $21.02.

Blizzard have previously said that subscription numbers are no longer the best indicator of World of Warcraft’s financial health, suggesting, to me at least that it’s likely they make a good portion of their revenue from the store.

Shadowlands if performing poorly.

With that in mind, it’s unlikely that you’re going to get offered a server that has zero game services attached, because the creation of this server would be creating a set of customers that are guaranteed to provide a lower average revenue per user (ARPU) something that no company would deliberately promote.

Now you might get fresh, with no boosts and no transfers… for a time, until they’re turned on, but sooner or later those services would be added imo.

So here’s my question, with all the above considered, what would you pay to play on a server with no MTX?

[Kedros-hydraxian-waterlords]

If you ask me, MTX and other such services should remain on Retail, unless a similar service or MT existed in whatever Classic version exists or will exist. I mean, the whole point of the Classic project for us the players was to experience the game we loved back then once more, the way it was meant to be played.

I get that Blizz is a company and needs to make money. But I’d rather they didn’t do so at the cost of the nature and integrity of their products. And if their spearhead product - Shadowlands - is underperforming as you say… Well, they should focus on improving the product to gain more players and goodwill and, as a result, more money.

[Donaldtusk-gandling]

@Kedros-hydraxian-waterlords

I get that Blizz is a company and needs to make money. But I’d rather they didn’t do so at the cost of the nature and integrity of their products.

That is of course a reasonable opinion, but here were at 2004 levels of subscription payments with 2021 costs , staff wages and expenses, even the expansion is being provided free of charge instead of the one of cost that it originally had (nobody seems to mind that change).

What level of subscription payment do you think would be fair in 2021?

[Cupid-stonespine]

They dont have to really develope much though so a much smaller team is needed then it was back then so you have to take that into acount when it comes to what things cost as well

[Kedros-hydraxian-waterlords]

Don’t get me wrong, I think we have a very good deal with Classic and TBC Classic! We’re practically getting 2 - and indeed soon 3 with the arrival of TBCC - game services at the price of 1, which is very nice, even though I am not interested in one of those (Retail) myself.

I don’t know what payment would be fair, to be honest. I mean, I have no idea what Blizz’s financial state is, what revenue and profit they have vs their expenses, if I knew I’d be able to be more specific. Sorry I can’t give you a better answer than that.

[Zivai-kazzak]

If you dont want 58 boost(which doesnt give anything more than you can get now) or you know since people keep saying "i just want it like old times"well you want to pay +40e for BC again?Wish they would actually put price on BC ,so you booster cry babies would actually have something to moan about,kek

[Kedros-hydraxian-waterlords]

If you’re referring to me, I’ve already bought TBC (and WotLK and Cata) so yeah I shouldn’t have to pay for it again.

[Donaldtusk-gandling]

Personally I’d be happy to pay £25.00-£30.00 per month for access to the game without MTX as long as Blizzard staffed it appropriately, banning bots and gold buys alike.

I think £1 a day for access to a game I spend at least 3 hours a night on to be good value.

[Kedros-hydraxian-waterlords]

In my opinion, 35-40 Euro is kinda high! However, I’d be along with it if I could also have the option to get a cheaper Classic-only and Retail-only sub.

[Sorzza-heartstriker]

@Cupid-stonespine

Dont forget to get some oil margaritas and some cyberdongs while you are at it

You. Do. Realize. That. Access. Denied.

[Gangstar-razorgore]

Come play on my server horde. It will be fun