They deserved to get attacked. Nobody said the mana nuke was justified.
Dude, like, I don't answer your directly most of the time, since it's pretty much
a waste of time. But I will do you this one honor.
You guys cannot constantly win battles, be bad-asses AND be righteous. You
cannot have it both ways. Either you get to win battles and beat-up the weak Alliance daily (like you've done since WoTLK), or you get to lose battles but retain the "moral highground", like the Alliance have been doing since WoTLK.
I'm not saying the Alliance is pure and just (they do have some sketchy !@#$ going on, I'm sure) but it's times better than the nigh-anarchy ruling over the Horde at the moment, and the absolute absence of any and all forms of honor.
So, please keep complaining about being an honorless and gutless bunch, for which you are entitled to.
BUT if you do so, then do
NOT assume that you are mistreated and/or deserve moral greyness. You guys
ARE the bad guys here, you guys
DO murder indiscriminately and you do
NOT care for honor
NOR sacrifice. The 2 people on your side, who still have even a single shred of decency are A: Baine (and you guys spit on him daily); and B: Saurfang (who you currently try to kill for wanting freedom).
Please, quit your damned hypocracy. Be normal. As far as that's possible...
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Same Horde poster: Lol, Theramore deserved to burn. They were aiding the Alliance (surprise!). Garrosh did right by slaughtering them all.
They deserved to get attacked. Nobody said the mana nuke was justified.
Well now look where itās got you :) Jaina and her beware of me !@#$, Iād say she is coming for the Horde but after her ādonāt stoop to thebanshees levelā %^-* in 8.1 I doubt she is gonna do anything to be wary of so donāt even worry.
They deserved to get attacked. Nobody said the mana nuke was justified.
Dude, like, I don't answer your directly most of the time, since it's pretty much a waste of time. But I will do you this one honor.
You guys cannot constantly win battles, be bad-asses AND be righteous. You cannot have it both ways. Either you get to win battles and beat-up the weak Alliance daily (like you've done since WoTLK), or you get to lose battles but retain the "moral highground", like the Alliance have been doing since WoTLK.
I'm not saying the Alliance is pure and just (they do have some sketchy !@#$ going on, I'm sure) but it's times better than the nigh-anarchy ruling over the Horde at the moment, and the absolute absence of any and all forms of honor.
So, please keep complaining about being an honorless and gutless bunch, for which you are entitled to. BUT if you do so, then do NOT assume that you are mistreated and/or deserve moral greyness. You guys ARE the bad guys here, you guys DO murder indiscriminately and you do NOT care for honor NOR sacrifice. The 2 people on your side, who still have even a single shred of decency are A: Baine (and you guys spit on him daily); and B: Saurfang (who you currently try to kill for wanting freedom).
Please, quit your damned hypocracy. Be normal. As far as that's possible...
THIS. PREACHHHH! Well said
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They deserved to get attacked. Nobody said the mana nuke was justified.
Dude, like, I don't answer your directly most of the time, since it's pretty much a waste of time. But I will do you this one honor.
You guys cannot constantly win battles, be bad-asses AND be righteous. You cannot have it both ways. Either you get to win battles and beat-up the weak Alliance daily (like you've done since WoTLK), or you get to lose battles but retain the "moral highground", like the Alliance have been doing since WoTLK.
I'm not saying the Alliance is pure and just (they do have some sketchy !@#$ going on, I'm sure) but it's times better than the nigh-anarchy ruling over the Horde at the moment, and the absolute absence of any and all forms of honor.
So, please keep complaining about being an honorless and gutless bunch, for which you are entitled to. BUT if you do so, then do NOT assume that you are mistreated and/or deserve moral greyness. You guys ARE the bad guys here, you guys DO murder indiscriminately and you do NOT care for honor NOR sacrifice. The 2 people on your side, who still have even a single shred of decency are A: Baine (and you guys spit on him daily); and B: Saurfang (who you currently try to kill for wanting freedom).
Please, quit your damned hypocracy. Be normal. As far as that's possible...
I am no bad guy, I am the mightiest hero of Azeroth who saved this sorry !@# world more times over than it actually deserves it. Both, the Banshee and Mary Suenduin Wrynn should bow down before ME instead of yelling at me how naughty I am. The old gods are right. Those weak mortals don't deserve to be saved by the PC.
28/10/2018 19:46Posted by
Arctur "No good reason"?
Delivering a steady stream of war supplies to your enemy during a time of siege, siding with your hated foe, how would you call these things, if not acts of provocations? The Vulpera chose to break their neutrality, and paid for it with their lives.
It baffles me that Horde players are always ready to say "Theramore was a legitimate military target because it aided the Alliance and broke neutrality", but when the Alliance applies the same logic to the Vulpera, they don't have a good reason driving them.
I'm just quoting what some Alliance posters have said since the Purge Squad first emerged, that they're unhappy with this because it looks like the Alliance attacks Vulpera for no good reason?
Besides, if some posters in this thread get to say that the Alliance doesn't take any hostile action against the Vulpera at all because violence against Vulpera is strictly prohibited in the Alliance version of the quest, then posters can also say that the Vulpera don't do anything worthy of being attacked because the transportation of supplies isn't mentioned in the Horde version of the quest.
Welcome to the world of divergent canon based on your faction, boys. I hope you'll enjoy the ride!
I think I need to go on the record here by saying that I have nothing against an Alliance Purge Squad. In fact, I think we need more of those. If anything, any race that does business with the Horde should be dealt with one way or another (if they refuse peaceful surrender, then put them to the sword).
THE problem I have is that experience shows how Blizzard interns think - this is just so that they have an excuse to give the Horde another Allied Race. To which I reply: where is the Alliance counterpart? Where is the Horde purging a race (not the NE, they are dead anyway)?? Balance, people. Balance. Dammit...
I think I need to go on the record here by saying that I have nothing against an Alliance Purge Squad. In fact, I think we need more of those. If anything, any race that does business with the Horde should be dealt with one way or another (if they refuse peaceful surrender, then put them to the sword).
THE problem I have is that experience shows how Blizzard interns think - this is just so that they have an excuse to give the Horde another Allied Race. To which I reply: where is the Alliance counterpart? Where is the Horde purging a race (not the NE, they are dead anyway)?? Balance, people. Balance. Dammit...
Yes exactly, thatās all this isnāt an excuse to push the vulpera to the horde officially and thatās what people donāt realise.
THe only issue however is if Sylvanas will accept/want them, if they would be of any great use to her in her war.
THe only issue however is if Sylvanas will accept/want them, if they would be of any great use to her in her war.
Why wouldn't she? As far as I understand it, any member of the Horde seems to be obligated to follow the Warchiefs commands, but I don't know if the Horde has any obligations towards its members. I mean... Garrosh could just refuse to help Baine when the Grimtotem took Thunderbluff.
THe only issue however is if Sylvanas will accept/want them, if they would be of any great use to her in her war.
Why wouldn't she? As far as I understand it, any member of the Horde seems to be obligated to follow the Warchiefs commands, but I don't know if the Horde has any obligations towards its members. I mean... Garrosh could just refuse to help Baine when the Grimtotem took Thunderbluff.
What? My point was that Sylvanas would only accept those who are strong and will increase the hordes strength either financially or in terms of power. Iām sure she will only accept allies which will benefit her in her war. As I said.
And Iām unsure vulpera would do either since they are caravan desert fox people, small in numbers (I assume). They donāt have no massive empires like the zandalari or magical beautiful city like nightborne or strength like high mountain Tauren or mag har.
What? My point was that Sylvanas would only accept those who are strong and will increase the hordes strength either financially or in terms of power. Iām sure she will only accept allies which will benefit her in her war. As I said.
And my point was that even a small gain is a gain, if it costs you nothing.
What? My point was that Sylvanas would only accept those who are strong and will increase the hordes strength either financially or in terms of power. Iām sure she will only accept allies which will benefit her in her war. As I said.
And my point was that even a small gain is a gain, if it costs you nothing.
True, good point. I didnāt really understand what you meant at first tbh. BUT, it fills that allied race spot and perhaps there would be other stronger candidates that would be more valuable to Sylvanas as a pose to Vulpera? Hence why I think she might wanna save that spot for something more useful to her. (I mean if she can raise them somehow Iām sure sheāll be fine with them joining, as long as sheās can raise it then itās of use to her lol)
You guys cannot constantly win battles, be bad-asses AND be righteous. You cannot have it both ways
Isnt that what most alliance players want all the time and are crying in this forum that they want it so badly? Only reading the comments of players in the story forum gets you that feeling.
Either you get to win battles and beat-up the weak Alliance daily (like you've done since WoTLK)
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Pretty much alliances glasses on here... will not discuss it because THAT would be a waste of time... you are too stucked in your alliance biased opinion. No rescue.
absolute absence of any and all forms of honor.
If you say so... the game itself must lie to us then... because the almighty alliance player said so...
So, please keep complaining about being an honorless and gutless bunch, for which you are entitled to. BUT if you do so, then do NOT assume that you are mistreated and/or deserve moral greyness.
sound to me like both sides
You guys ARE the bad guys here, you guys DO murder indiscriminately and you do NOT care for honor NOR sacrifice
:rolleyes: take those glasses off and start reading, hearing and playing the game and book... maybe you wouldnt look like a total know-it-all and arrogant fool.
"Oh i am sooo much better than you, dirty horde player peasants. I am the chosen of rightousness and the holy truth. I know it all! You are the bad vermins! Now kneel before our mighty alliance"
Do you even read what you write? You want to be so bad in the right spot, its disgusting.
Please, quit your damned hypocracy. Be normal. As far as that's possible...
wow... so much hypocracy and arrogance in three sentences, its forming a singularity... The world is ending!
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People hate it because it is coming out of nowhere with no explanation to it. People doing idiotic stuff for the sake of it shouldn't be allowed.
Give me a good enough reason for why the Alliance would genocide some desert rats then perhaps I could accept it, otherwise it should be removed.
Edit : This is also assuming that it is the Alliance behind it.
There is no Grey when there is good reason behind it. At this point you can justify anything because of Teldrassil. Targeting bystanders is the only way for blizzard to get out of this writing.
Wrong. Genociding a specie without reason is not grey, it's evil.
Genociding part of a specie because it pose a threat is grey.
True, good point. I didnāt really understand what you meant at first tbh. BUT, it fills that allied race spot and perhaps there would be other stronger candidates that would be more valuable to Sylvanas as a pose to Vulpera? Hence why I think she might wanna save that spot for something more useful to her.
But that's using the gameplay to make a lore argument, isn't it? Sylvanas has no reason not to accept them, if it comes without a cost. Lorewise there is no reason, why she would have to refuse another race, when she takes the vulpera.
So the lore isn't a problem in taking them on, and it just comes back to the question... if the devs like them as an allied race.
28/10/2018 21:11Posted by
Vukmar ...
There is no Grey when there is good reason behind it. At this point you can justify anything because of Teldrassil. Targeting bystanders is the only way for blizzard to get out of this writing.
Wrong. Genociding a specie without reason is not grey, it's evil.
Genociding part of a specie because it pose a threat is grey.
Tbh by our (western) morale code, genociding, no matter the reason, is
immorale <- not evil or grey. Simply immorale and not supportable by any mean.
Evil is a word no political that has some brain would use easily. And tbh its just to vague for a word in our modern time
True, good point. I didnāt really understand what you meant at first tbh. BUT, it fills that allied race spot and perhaps there would be other stronger candidates that would be more valuable to Sylvanas as a pose to Vulpera? Hence why I think she might wanna save that spot for something more useful to her.
But that's using the gameplay to make a lore argument, isn't it? Sylvanas has no reason not to accept them, if it comes without a cost. Lorewise there is no reason, why she would have to refuse another race, when she takes the vulpera.
So the lore isn't a problem in taking them on, and it just comes back to the question... if the devs like them as an allied race.
No i was sort of using it as an example, if Sylvanas knew she had limited space, sheād go for a more beneficial ally.
Tbh by our (western) morale code, genociding, no matter the reason, is immorale <- not evil or grey. Simply immorale and not supportable by any mean.
I am laughing my head off here. You are wrong in so many ways I don't even know where to begin .
I am laughing my head off here. You are wrong in so many ways I don't even know where to begin .
Everyone can scream "wrong". Only a few can give facts... so where are yours?
I see you only pointing fingers, never giving actual valid feedback
If I am wrong in sooooo many ways, it should be easy to name a couple of them, right?
btw:
Evil:
Profound
immorality and wickedness, especially when regarded as a
supernatural force.So as long as the wickeddoers in our world arent sitting around a ouija board, having a spirit talk or a contract with the devil, evil is the worst word to use...
Immorality on the other side is exactly what you use
Genociding is immorale.
Everyone can scream "wrong". Only a few can give facts... so where are yours?I see you only pointing fingers, never giving actual valid feedbackIf I am wrong in sooooo many ways, it should be easy to name a couple of them, right?
I will simply say this: One person's genocide is another person's 'incident' or 'misunderstanding'.
For a game example: We still got Horde people saying Teldrassil and Hillsbrad were perfectly fine \o/