It does sound a bit like you don’t actually want to try new tactics and rather just keep losing while blaming the map.
That’s not a new tactic there is no breakthrough information here defending shgy has been done, it doesn’t change fact the map is imbalanced and doing this tactic still results in loss 99% of the time. With how easy raid gear is to get saying one faction is better geared and “stronger” is just laughable
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Please advise one good tactics that counters the SH zerg other than “be twice as strong and wipe horde 3-4 times untill you reach IB”.
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Your are the laughable one if you don’t understand that all alliance rankers have abandoned AV long ago.
Like I said, I’m not going to argue about tactics but you seem to give up rather than trying, which is also one way to make sure you lose. If you think there’s no chance to win a few games (at least the ones where the alliance team is stronger), then that just means more wins for the horde.
Well if there is no way of winning and also don’t want to lose then only one option left: all alliance should abandon AV completely.
Then horde will have one less BG to play so they will come to forums crying and since Blizzard only listens to horde maybe they’ll do something.
Or not.
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More like we tried everything multiple times and what we got was slightly longer time to lose.
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Now that aq gear is out rankers gear is mostly irrelevant.it doesn’t take a great deal of skill to rank up in classic nor is there much PvP skill required to get good. Almost everyone who does PvP at this stage of the game are decently geared so you can throw your ranker arguement right out of the window some players just like to PvP to PvP.
The win rate in AV completely points to map imbalance even the next expansions versions of av clearly shows those imbalances getting fixed.
If you can’t seriously look at the map layout, travel time to reinforce fights,respawn locations,choke points and how all this effects an outcome of a battle and think the map is balanced well I’m afraid you have the strategic intelligence of a monkey.
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You are barking at the wrong tree, lol. I never claimed the map was balanced. I do however claim that the honor system and queue time difference creates different incentives to do AV on horde compared to alliance and blaming only the map is over simplified and as you put it so elegantly: “intelligence of a monkey”.
And regarding the rankers you are not making much sense, it’s not just about the gear but about who spends literally all their time on PvP. Who is better at PvP, the guy who spends 10 h per day doing PvP or the alts who occasionally are grinding rep in AV? Also gearing for PvP is pretty different from gearing for PvE, and talents are different as well. Many ppl who raid wont spend the gold to respec every time they want to do a BG and they might not focus on getting gear for PvP. I used to play arms spec and I can say with 100% certainty that DW fury spec is completely useless in PvP compared to arms spec.
Also, if you can’t tell that the horde team is stronger than the alliance team in most games now, then maybe you do have that case of “intelligence of a monkey”.
That is what has been slowly happening ever since premades were stopped.
Blizzard only listens to horde, yeah yeah, I guess all alliance players forgot about when they rushed out BGs because alliance players were crying so much about getting ganked constantly. There were alliance players complaining about AV premades too because the alliance pugs were starting games with like 10 players due to premaders dodging games lol.
Releasing BGs sooner has not helped on unbalanced pvp servers at all, horde still made alliance’s game unplayable until those servers became horde only.
Banning premades from AV however was very effective, it granted horde a 100% winrate.
That’s why I think if most horde could not get into AV because alliance ignore AV completely, then Blizzard would actually do something.
Anyway, it doesn’t really matter, we can argue about AV all day long it does not change the fact that AV is unplayable with alliance, so less and less alliance player will sign up for it until it completely dies off.
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Imagine if they listened to Alliance… you wouldn’t have things like a free FP in STV, no Elite guards guarding Zepplins, which are the main reason why ganks on Zepplins are non-existent compared to Menethil Harbor,
and AV would be hotfixed. Oh wait, that will never happen.
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You for example forgot blessings especially salvation but i guess continue to live in your bubble.
I didn’t mean every stupid little change you would wish for.
Doesn’t change the fact that they listened to the (mainly) alliance cries and released BGs earlier…
They should do something about AV, yeah, it’s terrible. Just because I believe in different reasons for the current state doesn’t mean I think they should just leave it like that. They could move the horde cave back, and I wouldn’t mind it but I don’t think that’s nearly enough. They probably also need to add like 2x bonus honor on alliance to give a bigger reason to play AV on alliance.
Defend SHGY and then what? There’s nowhere else to go because the maps are imbalanced. If alliance move forward, horde can outflank and attack SHGY round the back of Balinda. IBGY is far easier to defend and recap if lost because of the position of the horde cave and the bottleneck defended by horde archers. Not even mentioning that horde are already at the forward alliance gy at the same time as alliance from the start of the bg, in front of all the horde lts and half the alliance lts. It’s a blatantly imbalanced and unfair map.
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Chain heals and fear immunity for priests say hello. Boosted faction gets boosted.
Paladins are still better than Shamans by lore alone though.
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And this here ladies and gentlemen is the proof of how clueless Justicesoul realy is.
I suggest you look up the speed running scene, where every little bit counts guess how many horde guilds are in top 25.
To quote your fellow faction buds about why Alliance is losing all AVs: “It’s because Alliance players are more skilled”.
Are you just trolling now or who are you even quoting? I don’t think I ever saw anyone seriously make that claim.
It’s funny how u say that most the horde teams are stronger yet most the complaints on the forums about getting destroyed from premades are coming from classic wow horde avatars.
Pvping for 10 hours a day does not make you magically better in PvP compared to someone who plays less.A back peddling keyboard turner will always get killed Vs someone who is more mechanically skilled this is especially true when rankers premade and go for honor per hour and throw games that have the slightest bit of resistance.
Yes not all people in a bg will respec every week but alot of them do most PvPers raid every week I don’t see much arms warriors in aq 40 as well.
The reasons for why the horde say how they are winning are pure fantasy you don’t get 99% win rate with a huge pool of players if everything was balanced the map is the biggest factor as it doesn’t show on other bgs
The whole agrument why blizzard makes changes to please any faction is just silly.
they released bgs early because minority faction on all PvP servers where quitting the game in droves because they could not play and yes more people rolled horde to min max racials to give them an advantage in PvP but to say it wasn’t effecting both sides is just wrong.
Premades was fixed in av because only one faction could do it and was unfair for the other faction and the players left in empty games due to abandoned matches. it is a shame they didn’t go Futher and separate pugs and premades altogether
The back door fix was needed as it bypassed any defence it was exploiting the map and there is still map exploits on wsg that they should fix.