"The Rotation Assistant Beats 75% of WoW Players."

[Ishayo-tarren-mill]

@Arueshalae-tichondrius

While I agree with your general assessment and solution (clean up classes), I’d rather say what the majority of players does, is go straight to Icy Veins or Wowhead and import a spec, because even the best players cannot figure out the interdependencies between talents (and possibly gear). They just rely on a couple ot top players to sim it out and put a breakdown on Wowhead. So in reality we don’t get all these choices the talent trees imply. Instead what we get per spec are these 4 builds to chose from RaidST, RaidAOE, M+ST and M+AOE. Just pick one and be done for the respective patch. It is so boring. And frustrating.

I don’t think so. Most of the players you’ll meet do this because they’re into the game and want to perform well and can’t figure it out easily so they ask someone else.

That’s very normal. A slight bit problematic, but I’m not too concerned. These people would look it up even if ignoring it would still produce 80% of the result they want. I’ve done it many times myself and still do it most of the time, though in some cases I diverge because I like it better.

But there’s a whole another group of people, and this group of people is really casual, and all they want to do is see the content and faff around a bit.

And they have no chance.

At this point, a frostbolt deals so little damage that if you don’t really understand flurry and ice lances and all of that, you’re just not going to deal any damage at all.

It took me ages to understand this audience (thank you to Tahra)

And it’s not that they can’t figure it out, it’s that they don’t want to.

Now, I don’t think these people should be graced with everything the game has to offer until they try a bit harder, but I do think they deserve to be able to play it and to have a good time, and they’re not because the simplest possible rotation is now so weak there’s really no reason to even try. We’re talking 20% of theoretical max on a good day. And the gap to playing decently is insurmountable. If you wanna do it, it’s time to head to Icy Veins. It’s way too unintuitive.

If they start caring a little bit more, they’ll get addons like Hekili, and they’ll download them by the millions - and that’s why this happened.

I think that’s all fundamentally wrong. An addon that tells you what to press next with no understanding of the world around you should be completely and utterly useless, or at least borderline useless, but for millions its mandatory.

[Starwyn-nethergarde-keep]

Well on Unholy Dk it spams death coil if you have to move.

[Starwyn-nethergarde-keep]

If you haven’t tried yet Unholy Dk is good with it also. You need to level up a bit to get a chink of abilities going for it to really shine though.

[Ishayo-tarren-mill]

@Starwyn-nethergarde-keep

Well on Unholy Dk it spams death coil if you have to move.

Frost Mage does too, but not if you stutter-step.

[Starwyn-nethergarde-keep]

I’m having more fun than ever trying it out, switching up builds.

[Ishayo-tarren-mill]

I really think this episode is revealing how right I’ve been when calling the classes an enemy in and of itself. It’s like you’re fighting your own class and have basically lost control over what you should do next to a sequence of procs. The actual opponent is less important.

[Starwyn-nethergarde-keep]

To get the best out of the one button it is still handly to have proc abilities on a seperate button, or things like death and decay/Consecration to make sure it always goes down.

[Traci-moonglade]

I could of course watch Bellular’s video and bury my face in my palms like usually but I’ve recently found a browser addon named “BlockTube”, so I don’t have to.

And if Bellular is not clickbait then nothing is.

[Devinia-bronze-dragonflight]

I feel like the community experience in WoW would be at least 50% better if everybody stopped thinking everything some rando on youtube or reddit or whatever said.
It’s a game, have fun. If one button rotation is fun, do that, if watching youtube guides and copying whatever they’re doing is fun, do that, if that guy on reddit does something and you think it’s fun to do, then (you guessed it) do that, but stop telling everybody else they have to do the same.

[Thanatan-tarren-mill]

i hope not, if they kill of omnicd they sould remove that brainrot addon as well

[Nevermonk-blackmoore]

@Devinia-bronze-dragonflight

It’s a game, have fun. If one button rotation is fun, do that, if watching youtube guides and copying whatever they’re doing is fun, do that, if that guy on reddit does something and you think it’s fun to do, then (you guessed it) do that, but stop telling everybody else they have to do the same.

I want a buff for player which has obr enabled/using it, because its dimishing my fun, that i play with a “bot” on my side, which doesnt use kicks/def cds and watches yt/netflix, because all they have to do is rolling their mousewheel und walking behind the group.

just another thing which all player have to “tolerate” in pugs as it looks like, but yeah tolerance is fun i guess hehe

will be fun start of next season, where this kind of player wont be able to do at a 10 the first weeks, because of this week gameplay, but blizz already helped you with this, so you are hostage now, because you arent allowed to leave a key, if player dont want you to, even if the key is bricked of missing kicks/lack of def cds usage. Hostage situations are fun

[Dehradudu-kazzak]

I don’t care it exists, i care that i don’t know who these people are. I should be allowed to avoid them, just put an icon next to their name. I am sure some people with a hero complex will specifically invite them.

Let them make full OBR groups. I really couldn’t care less. But i am a long suffering pug tank playing in the worst range of keys there are (+2-+15), it’s the wild west out there. Don’t make it even worse for such an underplayed role.

[Nannexx-argent-dawn]

@Nevermonk-blackmoore

I want a buff for player which has obr enabled/using it, because its dimishing my fun, that i play with a “bot” on my side, which doesnt use kicks/def cds and watches yt/netflix, because all they have to do is rolling their mousewheel und walking behind the group.

You seriously belive that those who use OBR and don’t CC and the likes used them before OBR got implemented? xDD
And no one watches crap on their second screen while dawdeling through your key giving you a hard time? You really blame OBR for soemthing that disturbed you already pre-OBR?
Oh please…

[Dehradudu-kazzak]

There are now people who were unable to play M+ before using OBR to play M+. What he said is factually correct. There are multiple posts about people who are disabled saying they can now do this content.

Obviously it existed before, but now it is even worse. There are people wondering about in M+ completely unsuitable to do the content. Not just lazy/padding/bad at the game. They are mechanically unable to do what is required of them.

[Nannexx-argent-dawn]

@Dehradudu-kazzak

There are now people who were unable to play M+ before using OBR to play M+. What he said is factually correct. There are multiple posts about people who are disabled saying they can now do this content.

Obviously it existed before, but now it is even worse. There are people wondering about in M+ completely unsuitable to do the content. Not just lazy/padding/bad at the game. They are mechanically unable to do what is required of them.

Seriously? Do you mean this post of yours really serious?
Those handfull of handicapped people really “made it even worse”? Did you even think before you made that comparisson?!

[Beerwolf-sunstrider (Beerwolf)]

The implication that crap/lazy players didn’t already exist prior. LFR and LFG is full of them for the past 14+ years, why cry now? Just because you’re suddenly aware of their presence? LOL!

[Ðaylen-the-maelstrom]

@Beerwolf-sunstrider

The implication that crap/lazy players didn’t already exist prior. LFR and LFG is full of them for the past 14+ years, why cry now? Just because you’re suddenly aware of their presence? LOL!

I don’t think someone ever thought there are no “crap/lazy” lazy players. The problem is that casual players usually are very tryhard and toxic, mostly due to lack of experience and lack of basic understanding of the game. The casual players already don’t want to play with other casual players. The OBR (assuming it stays unchanged) will put worse players now into the same player pool which will result in even more toxicity and more annoying pug experience.
It’s not the “high” key pusher who will suffer from this, it’s gonna be the casual players themselves. And who exactly is helped with that? Nobody.

[Dehradudu-kazzak]

There’s plenty of people playing M+ now that couldn’t before. Including them.

I don’t pay my sub to babysit people. I’m not a doctor or a healthcare professional. I’m don’t run a daycare either. It’s not my job to facilitate any of these players who couldn’t play M+ now playing M+. If your disability/nerves/lack of skill prevent you from doing anything but barely position yourself properly and do mechanics while spamming your 1 button then too bad.

If you can’t do what is expected, you shouldn’t be in M+ period. I don’t make the rules, fine. But i should be able to choose not to play with them.

(if i get disabled or when i get too old i will just not do M+, i have respect for the community of players actual trying to play properly. )

[Beerwolf-sunstrider (Beerwolf)]

@Dehradudu-kazzak

There’s plenty of people playing M+ now that couldn’t before. Including them.

I don’t pay my sub to babysit people. I’m not a doctor or a healthcare professional. I’m don’t run a daycare either. It’s not my job to facilitate any of these players who couldn’t play M+ now playing M+. If your disability/nerves/lack of skill prevent you from doing anything but barely position yourself properly and do mechanics while spamming your 1 button then too bad.

If you can’t do what is expected, you shouldn’t be in M+ period. I don’t make the rules, fine. But i should be able to choose not to play with them.

(if i get disabled or when i get too old i will just not do M+, i have respect for the community of players actual trying to play properly. )

Talk about discrimination…

[Croil-kilrogg]

@Dehradudu-kazzak

If you can’t do what is expected, you shouldn’t be in M+ period

And ppl wonder why M+ bros get made fun off lol…