You confuse selection with discrimination.
Nobody should be entitled to play with whoever he wants. If someone doesn’t meet specific requirements for a mythic raiding guild, they just not gonna invite him. Why is it ok in this case but not ok in other scenarios?
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“Entitled”… you already got your sacred scores to obsess over in invites.
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Score means absolutely nothing imo.
But there is nothing wrong with wanting to play with people who are willing to put same amount of effort as yourself.
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Score means everything.
Without the right score, you’ll get 0 invites.
No, not really. You have people at 3k who belong much higher and you have people at 3,5k+ who don’t belong there at all.
0 invites don’t happen because of score but people lacking experience or wanting a boost.
Otherwise how could you logically explain that a low rio MW with ilvl 638 gets invited in +10 on week one and times it easily but a 3,2k+ xp MW with 663 ilvl can’t even get into a +10 group? Is everyone 3,2k+ right now not enough to time a +10 while having higher ilvl than on week one? Idk, I kinda doubt it.
Wrong. The only thing that changed since OBR is the title of m+ cry threads.
Pre-OBR it was always “l2p-toxic-keydepleters-yadayada” now it’s “OBR ruins M+” but the content of those threads are always the same “Boohoo randos depleted my key and I don’t want to carry anyone”
Well, PuG is PuG, absolutely NOTHING changed 
Either don’t PuG or live with more bad players than good ones.
Uh-huh… 
Scores mean everyting, ever since IF AH Bridge gear checks.
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Its a competitive game mode. Not a job. Not healthcare. Humans beings are entitled to certain things. Mythic + isnt one of them
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It absolutely changed for the worst. You claiming otherwise means nothing.
Try and claim gravity doesnt exist, i’ve always wanted to fly
It’s a game. Be more scrutinising if you wish, make your own group with friends and guildies if you want to completely avoid them… but who the hell are you to tell others what they can and can’t do?
I literally said i dont make the rules. I want to identify these players so i can avoid them. As tank they arent entitled to my time or effort and i want to stay away from them.
If Blizzard lets us ID them i will never post on this subject again.
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Ain’t happening because it’s literal discrimination, especially since it’s an accessibility feature.
So either suck it up, stay in high key territory where they’ll less likely be in [12+], or stick with your buddies.
Ok then, don’t allow people to choose who they pick for M+. Also discrimination. Not allowed to only choose specific classes. Also discrimination. Can’t only choose people with appropriate rio. Also discrimination.
It’s so tedious talking to disingenuous people.
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What a load of bs. As the leader you’re literally picking people from a list of applicants… and there’s tools to look up people past that which people have done for God knows how long already.
The rest of your comment is complete nonsense. The audacity of you lumping people with RL problems being the same as picking meta classes…
Don’t tell me about being disingenuous…
Isn’t that a double standard tho?
Why is it ok to select people out based on io or ilvls but not based on OBR usage?
I’d also argue it’s not an accessibility feature at the current state, I mean you can literally pull 80%+ dps logs on 18s. In every other game we would call this cheating.
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Ah yeah, that video of a high end player playing a Druid, who knows what they’re doing and when to line up their CDs, has suddenly turned Gospel as an argument case against the OBA… when in reality you’re not really going to see Casual Joe anywhere close to that sort of dps or M+.
Don’t worry, I’m sure some sad person will create an addon to detect OBA users by calculating their GCD to appease folks such as yourselves.
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As I mentioned earlier this thread: The only thing OBRs “super duper DPS plus” proves is that people sucked hard at playing…
Yeah, OBR threw everthing down the drain that didn’t already drown years ago, I know 
Subjective perception etc. 
The main point is not that people fear that they are forced to play with “bots” on high keys.
The main issue is that “bad” players will sneak into the player pool of “average” players.
It’s also not about Tettles, it works on several specs just too good. If someone can actually clear a +14, I’d argue he can also clear 18s tbh. Using defensives and offensive CDs at the right pull is really not rocket science but staying calm and executing the rotation correctly is the “hard” part. This is where the OBR turns kinda into “cheating” and not an accessibility feature.
I am personally not worried about it since I know I will most likely not be affected by this but just because it does not affect me, it does not mean there is no problem that should be discussed. Why do we have to suck up the double standards? Why is that it somehow is a solution to play with friends and guldies for those who want to avoid the OBR people but it’s not a solution for them? Why is it suddenly a discrimination?
And by that time the addons are not allowed 
Ye, sure… I guess we can say that. But why are some people forced to play with those people who don’t even want to put the bare minimum of effort and learn something as basic as their dps rotation?
Why is it ok for them to sneak into the player pool of other players but it’s not ok to make these people visible to others before you start the key?
Why are the forums like this. You people make yourselves look foolish. No one claimed that OBR is to blame for the worlds ills. We never said that OBR causes orphanages to burn down.
It’s simply a fact they have made a bad situation worse. Problems existed before OBR…no one claimed otherwise. Now is is compounded. It’s just the strawmanniest strawman ever. Really weak effort all around
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It really depends on the class how good the one button rotation is, some classes are just better suited to it.
Look at it this way, if you don’t use it and learn your class you will be in the top 25% of players if everyone is using it and your stats are correct.
From an accessibility standpoint it also makes sense, wow has far to many abilities and some people really struggle to keep up and enjoy raid content. While it won’t open up higher tiers for all classes it will let these people try things they have not normally done.
Another thing to consider is that the average age of a wow player is getting into the 30s now, generally at this age we have less time to spend learning a rotation and just want to experience content.
not everything is for everyone and that is ok. There’s players in their mid 30s pushing m+ no problem right now. If you are too busy, then fine. Go and be busy. Life comes first.
But don’t dilute the game/make it worse because you have other things you want to do.