On that point, I kind of want to intervene because I have an easy answer: because it’s a hobby, we’re all players and the point is/should be that everyone have fun playing together.
Not gonna answer to the rest of the conversation, like I said, just wanted to answer that point.
You should care because this is all an collaborative effort. As was stated before, you can’t force anything on people, they have all the right to just refuse interacting with you, but if you go into it with the attitude that only your own enjoyment matters you’ll quickly find yourself with a limited number of people to roleplay with.
Wasn’t saying you were, I’m saying that that’s what stirred up the drama. I can see how that’s easy to misinterpret, though.
if someone wants to do rebel roleplay, they should be free to do it. if someone wants to do anti-rebel roleplay, they should also be free to do that. i never said that only our enjoyment matters, i’m pointing out that people should be expected to be able to deal with the consequences of their roleplay, because when they then refuse to, it stops the people trying to enforce those consequences from doing their own roleplay
Are we still talking about enjoyment in RP, because deliberately trying to enforce consequences is quite different?
Ah, alright. No worries there.
why should we completely suspend our ic motives just because it MAY upset someone ooc?
RP does not exist in a bubble. Whether you consider that good RP or bad is up to you.
The rules stay largely the same.
if someone wants to do rebel roleplay, they should be free to do it. if someone wants to do anti-rebel roleplay, they should also be free to do that.
But here’s the thing: most people didn’t want it. A lot of people I spoke to from this campaign were told that:
A few people couldn’t keep it in their pants. That’s fine. But when an event that is about getting away from the usual suddenly gets raided without proper warning, far away from Orgrimmar, then I have no hard time seeing how feathers got ruffled.
trying to tout your credentials in an entirely different medium as though they’re relevant and as though they make your unwarranted opinions useful.
How dare I assume communication science and experience in planning IC events in live roleplay apply to roleplay, right?
The nerve some people have to give their opinion on a forum. Just…wow.
are you implying that a sylvanas loyalist or any such other is supposed to simply sit there and watch people betray her? not sure what you’re quite getting at here
I think he’s more just advocating a compromise that helps keeps everybodies roleplay moving, rather than putting everyone from side X in jail and shouting ‘GDRP’
are you implying that a sylvanas loyalist or any such other is supposed to simply sit there and watch people betray her?
No. I am saying that for the sake of keeping both sides on level ground, instead of going full on assault on Highmountain! Crush the traitors! in a setting with a lot of iffy stuff beyond the surface, you communicate with the organizers and see if there is any middle ground to be reached between “no consequences” and “full on raid.”
RP is my second job.
If that is your preference then that is how you can run your massive LARP events - but on my part the only place I value extended OOC planning in conflict is when things like character death are being discussed (which is what was done)
Obviously you should have some common sense ie. not attack people at 3am when their group is offline so your opponents can react as they reasonably would but that wasn’t the case here either
All RP (and I imagine all LARP, let me know) is consensual so I imagine they could have just said “we don’t want to RP with you” and the RP would have not gone on
In fact Rogmasha is more than welcome to contact me at any moment to either void or otherwise resolve any IC conflict
That is an IC issue, isn’t it?
Apparently not so much, unless your implication is you force people to dress up as knights to fight in a soggy field instead of them coming there out of their own free will
What a thing to boast about
Do we need to run a few LARP events to get enough gym badges to battle you or something
Weird opinion on a roleplay server, but hey. What do I know, as someone who runs as the guy replying you on some of the biggest forum threads on this forum?
I think they’re just implying that sometimes you have to make semi-OOC concessions in roleplay for people’s fun to be preserved and that is basically true - if our attack had no OOC considerations / was all about staying true to your character 100%, then the outnumbered rebel group would have been killed instead of let go / Rogmasha would similarly be dead instead of in jail (or at least that would be the loyalist faction’s plan) but obviously it would be a bit lame OOC to just wipe out a guild really crazily / it isn’t a sustainable way to play
It’s good to keep the other guys in mind when RPing even if I personally don’t like too much OOC planning
As a venerable titan of the LARP scene with the successful running of an award-winning system under my belt, I am aware the mere fact that LARP involves marshals and referees to dictate events separates it from video game RP where nobody has control over the setting and everyone is a player character.
Unless you’ve never been involved in a PVP hit, which by necessity involves no contact between the assassin and the target? That’d be embarrassing if you didn’t consider that.
I am implying that you can freely ignore people, who do not want to have consequences for their own RP to be shoved down their throat 
Now, I do not apologise for those, who do NOT want to have any form of RP consequences, but to pay sub just to enforce consequences for various X situations to different people - imho that is just not healthy.
two cents
Me, a neutral in everything here.
Must there always be stupid arguments!? ;_;
Stahp it gais.
Bro, how do you support no consequence RP. There are no bubbles on AD, everyone is part of the same server.
(There are extreme examples that I won’t mention of course)
This is a game, a game you pay for to be able to play.
You shouldn’t be forced into a darn thing, be it RP or otherwise if you don’t want to.
I keep seeing ‘rebellion’ this and ‘rebellion’ that.
As far as I was aware, correct me if I’m wrong, the over-arching point of the roaming hub was NOT ‘we want to overthrow the current Horde, a la SoO’. In fact, because SoO and all the RP leading up to it (i.e. Kor’kron hit squads and guilds) was such a mess last time, I am fairly confident the hub was designed to get away from that.
So the hub attitude was “We are for the Horde. Certain elements of the Horde right now are kind of unpleasant (bordering on being downright Evil) and we’re not too fond of that, so we’re going to go over here instead, while still being members of the Horde.”
I mean, I’m quite happy to be told by those involved that I am wrong. I only dipped my toes in from time to time due to RL constraints and multiple characters to juggle. C’est la vie.
And as a “venerated titan of the LARP scene”, whatever that is supposed to be and what the threshold is, I can pretty much tell you that a lot of things happen on big events that take meticulous reading of the situation. Otherwise you have a big exodus of players.
Ask me about the gross misshandling of our local Orc camp at some point. Being OOC tone deaf and not communicating resulted in a hundred people leaving the event on a whim.
Apparently not so much, unless your implication is you force people to dress up as knights to fight in a soggy field instead of them coming there out of their own free will.
No, but basic communication science still applies. I recommend Friedemann Schulz von Thun. That was my entire point - a lot of LARP events require tons of planning and behind the scenes communication in a way that makes events feel less forced on players. Espescially when we are dealing with events the size of international summer LARPs. You have many different ideas of LARP that clash, so handling them between referees is the key.
Do we need to run a few LARP events to get enough gym badges to battle you or something
No. Your RP is simply not my cup of tea. How you get to a passive aggressive joke from someone saying: “I just don’t care about you.” is beyond me.
Weird opinion on a roleplay server, but hey.
It is weird to show empathy for a person’s OOC feeling before IC consequence? No, that is my serious opinion. If you believe that is a wrong opinion, then more power to you. I hold on to it.
It’s good to keep the other guys in mind when RPing even if I personally don’t like too much OOC planning.
Which is what I am saying. Touting was never the intention, Perroy. No need to jump into passive aggressive mode.
i strongly believe in a free democracy, i do what i want 
I’m sorry man but the Horde is not a democracy