Read my full post: RPPvP as in player conflict. I will say I don’t mean typical RPPvP but it’s still a very different environment compared to plain ol’ RP. The key is, many people may not have signed up for that, whether it be because of RP preference, anxiety or whatever else. If people want direct player conflict they’ll go closer to RP hubs or outright attend full on RPPvP events.
Which is the important thing: Were people expecting a PC v PC stand off? Was this advertised at all? If no, people have a right to be upset and organisers have a right to be a bit irked when suddenly they have a 40-man raid knocking on the door when they wanted to carry out something else.
Again, I wasn’t there so I can’t comment on specifics, but I’m reading a lot of this boils down to two completely different approaches and interpretations of RP butting heads. With one side having tried to purposefully avoid PC v PC scenarios and the other purposefully seeking it, regardless of what the other crowd may want.
…No, it’s not even a question because there wasn’t any pvp(?). All I saw were emotes.
I think the point he was making was in reference to there being major player conflict - whether that is with abilities or emotes.
Essentially, you go there expecting a spiritual journey and conversations. What you get is a full Legion assault from Banshees and troopers with blight throwers out of nowhere.
Believe it or not nobody was held at a gunpoint to take part into the fighting. Many in fact chose to stand aside.
I understand the premise of your argument that these people went into RP expecting x and they got y instead and that’s bad, I disagree.
It’s an open RP-environment, and considering the context regarding Rogmasha and her arrest was in the background (always), even if those people prefer some parts over others in their RP then that can’t be helped.
If usual interactions end with that information being metagamed, why bother engaging with those people if you know it’ll end in bad taste?
With that kind of skepticism, the healthier choice would be to respectfully disagree and not go out of your way to engage. Given the recent drama between PCU and Red Blade that lead to such a compromise, it’s not really an alien idea either, I don’t think?
because it has not always been the entirety of the people metagaming. sometimes it has simply been one person in a guild metagaming, and then proceeding to tell the rest of the guild ic, who have no idea that the information was not procured through roleplay, but by metagame- in some cases, we are not even aware of who it was that metagamed it- it’s a very hard issue to pin down
Yeah because 1 item that ticks for 2k damage is enough to turn the entire town into chernobyl apparently.
Unironically I was subject to more “forced consequences” than any of those (five) people I targeted with the ordnance, afterwhich some claimed that the Inn had actually been full of families, cripples and all the woes lmao.
Wouldn’t the sensible alternative then be to inform those you trust not to run with that information? Like in this particular example, Rogmasha, who could have then arranged things in a tasteful fashion.
Given how others in this thread have described Perroy & Co being really helpful to interact with OOC regarding discussing outcomes that leave everyone satisfied, and it’s not something I have any reason to doubt at all, but as a bystander it just makes me really wonder why all that was neglected in this instance beyond “can’t trust some people to not metagame hehe…”
The end result of that is now witnessed in this thread.
So the answer to avoid potential metagaming is to ignore the potential wishes of others when forcing RP upon them? Sounds like a devils bargain to me.
Or, you know offer some communication. It doesn’t have to be explicit, just some kind of “heads up, we may be watching / onto you” rather than an IC “warning” followed by an invasion.
I mean how much sooner was the rogue warning thing? Days? I can get behind it if it was, creating a paranoia in the group. If we’re talking hours, then that’s a bit too quickly for it to be IC effective imo.
Thrall literally washes it away with some water magic in SoU.
Just get a mop and some water.
I look at it from the other perspective.
If I know the person I’m about to engage with is a respectful & a good RP individual, I sometimes don’t even communicate my intentions to them to make the effects random and exciting.
Or it could be frustrating and annoying. Can’t get it right always.
If everyone always contacted me about what they’re going to do with my character my RP would be extremely dull.
I agree wholeheartedly here. The thing is though that given the scale of the project involved, you get a mixed bag of people who are affected as a side effect. And assuming just because Rogmasha is otherwise fine without a heads-up, you can’t safely extend that assumption to everyone else present in this large group, as their plans and projects are now shafted over without being consulted.
Because the group was more than just Rogmasha’s Rebellion.
Which is unfortunate, but should not mean we completely throw away courtesy to ensure everyone on both sides enjoys themselves and there’s no drama fallout. RP is a co-operative activity, you can’t co-operate if you don’t talk. If you must withhold info from people at large, ask the lead organiser and arrange something else. Find a compromise.
Make an event together where both sides know exactly what style of RP they’re getting into and have a blast doing it, this doesn’t mean you need to plan everything out, mind. Just enough details to have a time and place arranged OOCly, then let all hell break loose. Then emerge from it grinning like maniacs despite missing teeth and having black eyes, and ask “Same time next week?” to the other.
But you can still make an effort towards that regardless. Within reason of course. Someone will always find something to complain about, that’s just objective fact. But if you manage to ensure the enjoyment of 90% of a crowd, which is very feasible, I consider that a success.
Causing a thread to blow up and require a ‘containment’ thread just to keep the former recognisable by it’s mother tells me that there was a misstep somewhere. I couldn’t say exactly where or how. But at the very least perhaps this discussion might bring that to light and people can learn from it in future.
I’m going to tap out now, since I think by now every point has been discussed to death and I have nothing more to add.