Well, since apparently I have to post on my relevant Hordie to not be out of hand dismissed as âSome Alliance Paladinâ, here we are. I, on this character, HAVE been involved in the Whiteclaw Hub RP, albeit briefly, so perhaps we can put that dead strawman to bed now, hm?
Then again, I donât really have much more to add; Iâve tried to open a two-sided debate and discussion, Iâve been more than willing to say âOk, I got the wrong end of the stick, fair oneâ and held back from being rude and the like.
And youâve just been a rude, arrogant verbal thug about it. So, Iâd wish you âGood Dayâ, but then Iâd be the liar
Iâm beginning to think that at the root, this is an argument on philosophies/outlooks on RP in general, and I can kinda see 2 major types here:
You got people who view RP as something competitive - even in the framework of an inherently consensual activity itâs mostly about conflict/winning and advancing their char/groupâs story. Whether involved people have a good or bad time is secondary (ânot all RP is always pleasantâ), itâs very âIC-comes-firstâ and how much of that IC competitive drive seeps out, toxically, OOC - is up to people to judge.
And then you got people who view RP as cooperative first of all - even in scenarios of conflict, although they tend to happen less in those circles - whoâll be more up to OOC discussion/compromise, scripting certain things ahead and first of all making sure the attendees are satisfied - to the extent of putting reins on their charâs motivations and actions, or having the story be too tame/consequence-free for some.
You can find both types everywhere and often mixed - Iâm not coding specific player groups here, although they may have tendencies to one or other type.
Itâs not shafted, really. Like I said, nobodyâs forcing them to stop their initiative simply because Rogmasha isnât present IC- For all I know she could even use an alt, or somebody else (the other organizers) could take initiative and whatnot.
But I agree. It didnât please everyone- And thatâs fine. You canât please everyone.
I am to this date completely mind boggled by this idea.
Of course you have a motif to advance your characterâs story- But that doesnât mean itâs done by gutting others- Sometimes that does happen though, unintentionally more than intentionally Iâve found.
I also donât understand why do you think itâs about winning. Stygianâs failed several times when it comes to their IC objectives (including Rogmashaâs capture).
Best thing to take away from this is to learn what went wrong and adapt for future interactions. Personally I favour spontaneous RP and Iâm really interested to see how Rogmashaâs story turns out in light of this. But I know not everyone feels the same. Iâd rather people be excellent to each other.
The comment from Ignorak about how you canât trust the otherside with information because theyâll metagame it lowkey comes across as really competitive on an OOC level, even if that might not have been the intention.
It comes down to feeling whether itâs worth or not to try and make it more enjoyable to others- I donât feel thatâs the case here personally. Some people are upset but I donât really care. I feel that the overall net was positive over negative, but thatâs just my opinion.
I seem to recall very well that there was some cleansing RP done by the whiteclaws- So I guess they just mopped it up, and whenever I go to xroads these days itâs infact the same old xroads instead of being chernobyl.
Thereâs no compromise because rly you can decide for yourself how you wanna view xroads. To me itâs xroads, not chernobyl, but youâre free to RP it that way.
I know youâre altposting and Iâm almost certain that I could guess your guild tag but the thing with the crossroads was one guy (Atahalni) throwing the Darkshore-grade detoxified grenade (that you get as an item) that had absolutely no lasting consequences
The town remained inhabited and the character who it was thrown at survived
What a strange gotcha
They arenât actually shafted - you can /who Valâsharah now and see that the show is very much going on (in fact with a few extra attendees from what I have been told)
I donât think it is fair to expect every roleplay conflict to be preceded by every person in the area being contacted for their permission. You may disagree and that is cool but also I donât think youâre going to sell this to me
True
Yet you were not involved in the event in question. Relogging your alt wonât change that your complaints are purely hypothetical
I have a human paladin alt, you know
OK
I donât care
It does and I donât really agree with it. There has been some metagaming but not from the parties involved on Friday - that wasnât the reason for the lack of big OOC warning at all
Of course, and I feel most of the ruffled feathers here come from precisely the âunintentionalâ part and lack of OOC communication in such cases.
Oh, Iâm not calling Stygians poweremoters who win every time, or digging at them for taking Rog in, thatâs all fine. My issues lie purely with how jarring that was for the hubâs population and their plans/events since it wasnât communicated properly - perhaps out of the aforementioned competitive drive to make it surprising/prevent metagaming/etc.
Purely subjectively, I think playersâ satisfaction, even outside of your group, comes first, and would prefer something like that happen with some pre-planning at least among the higher-ups involved, and I feel thatâs a general sentiment here.
In any case, these were general musings on what I notice recurrently, rather than a reaction to that accident, plentyâs been said on that by now.
I like how right after my comment of people getting upsetti spaghetti on behalf of others weâve already circled back to people doing just that, sprinkled through the last 50 comments.
What Iâm curious about this whole thing is the âchain of commandâ idea. Whoâs giving orders out to capture or kill persons?
I know it can be agreed between players but other people are involved by proxy. Itâs confusing to see âwe have orders to do x against y enemies.â when its just thrust on you without even a smidgen of explanation?
