the difference is these really had to be well coordinated people and good grp, with only 3 deaths, now you can yolo dungeons on first day with people that dont even know tactics and barely do good dps
at least something we can finally agree on 
No, you can’t. You don’t seem to have any idea of what kind of players exist among the playerbase. Doing a key at +11 right now is like throwing a dice, it can end up as 1 or a 6. The run can be really smooth or you’re in for hell that will end with people leaving.
There are groups that are depleting +2s even. Depleting them so hard that they’re not getting any score from them.
People that are doing “high” keys right now are people that have done so in previous season(s) and know what they’re doing with their class.
TF are you even saying ? Im saying that from experience I have on current dungeons, dps isnt very well and people fail to tactics and I stille time dungeons, what are you on
And my experience is saying that it’s not faceroll.
Like, bro. There’s groups that can’t even kill the totems on volkal at the same time.
exprienced that too, explained in chat and we still timed key afterwards
also its not for a game if everything is so easy, gear should be needed to progress further, atm it’s no wonder that people are qutting season after month, if everything can be achieved so fast and easily
Ok?
Fact remains, these dungeons are far from undertuned. They’re likely going to get nerfed in a few weeks.
NERF? nerf what, it’s kindergarden walk, it’s so easily done with random pugs, it’s not normal, its even easier than df s2
Not to the majority of players. If you’re looking to be challenged, you should probably push beyond 20s.
I didn’t see single person saying these dungeons are hard, you claim they are but you still timed +18 on first 3 days of season
Then you haven’t searched very hard.
exactly, I’d have to “search very hard” to find such person
No.
wow, a beginner that is ASKING, if everbloom is overtuned, because he ++ on 17 ( SEVENTEEN) on second day of the season with under ilvl, yes it says how OVERTUNED these terrible dungeons are, GOD HELP US
Do you ever tire of being wrong?
you are
Do you? his achi points doesn’t show he’s very experienced player, he also is asking, not stating, he still ++ on 17 key - SECOND day, with underilvl for s3, it says more than enough, you are denial af
you also ignore other people’s claims and the fact that half of playerbase if not more already has blue score on m+ and we didn’t even have tyrranical yet
Do you know what a beginner is? He was in the top 10% last season, lol.
Pretty much every player that has been mentioned so far has been in the top 10% or better in a previous season. And you’re pretending that we’re somehow the norm, we’re not.
The dungeons are going to get nerfed soon enough, just like has happened every season and most people will still not get to KSH range.
Gonna need a source for that.
This is absolute rubbish.
Theres almost 100k palas with score. If you look at half way the score is about 630. Thats far from blue.
You’re doing analysis so simplistic its laughable. You’re calling the other person a beginner but he was getting 20’s in the last season within days of you. Imagine looking at the achi points of someone who doesn’t do much except m+ and then concluding hes a beginner (because you’re lazy / not smart / it suits your narrative?)
I also agree that this season feels “not too hard” but part of that is because ‘vets’ know atal / brh etc etc really well. Other places can be quite brutal, I’ve done 200k hps on packs in the Dawn dungeons, and thats on a 13.
Dungeons might be hard at higher level, but the timers are very forgiving. So mechanical-wise they might be tuned well, but you can full wipe 5 times and still finish the key in time.
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maybe it was hyperbole yes, I said that because when I make a key Its hard to see someone below blue score, and we havent even tyrranical week yet
But you aren’t even close to representative of average. It’s such a basic failing to take your circumstances and act as if thats the norm - in game or anywhere else.
This is a huge tangent, at the start of the pandemic, some senior people where I worked were loving the work from home stuff (me too) They had no clue about their junior staff living in bedsits or tiny flats with no room for furniture, using their ironing boards as desks and their beds as chairs. It was awful for them. Same with people with kids and small houses with no quiet space to work etc etc.
Just like in life theres variance across the spectrum. Just because you’re seeing blue scores doesn’t mean thats the norm. I have a guildie thats already got 7 portals and over 2k score. Should he post and say when he lists keys 99% have orange scores and its weird almost the whole of wow has ksm and all the portals just 3 days in? (It’s a more extreme example but its what you’re doing).