The years go by, and nothing changes in PvP

Key Sections:

  1. Gear Issues: PvP gear imbalance ruins BG experience after the first weeks of a season.
  2. Premades: Premade groups create a huge gap in BGs, making matches unfair.
  3. Solo Shuffle: Great system, balances players by skill and gear, but toxic players remain a problem.
  4. MMR Problems: MMR system in random BGs and Blitz needs improvement to avoid unfair matches.
  5. Most Important: Solo queue is necessary, and it helps reduce interaction with toxic players.

I’ve been playing WoW for many years, but I won’t go on about how much better things used to be.

I want to focus on my current impression. I left the game during Shadowlands and didn’t even bother buying or playing Dragonflight. Instead, I moved over to EvE Online and had some awesome PvP experiences. But that’s a different game, right? So, why did I leave WoW? Because I remember world PvP when people actually walked (or rode their mounts) to dungeons.

As far back as I can remember, I’ve always played PvP, and in my opinion, the best PvP was in Legion. But… this isn’t about that. For those who want to bash me and say I can’t PvP, I’ll admit: yes, you’re right. My max rating was 1600 since RBG was released (starting in Cataclysm, which, by the way, is my favorite expansion). I’m not claiming to be a Gladiator… yet. :slight_smile:

1) Gear

I always enjoyed PvP and battlegrounds, but let’s talk about Shadowlands. In SL, they made PvP almost impossible to enjoy. Outside of Legion, BGs have always had two major problems: gear imbalance and gear rush. By the second or third week of the season, it already feels pointless farming honor for starter gear. Even after you get some, the PvP experience is ruined because players already outgear you massively. The cap system helps, but it doesn’t fully solve the issue.

So, BGs already suck. I played a lot of BGs because you didn’t need a rating for them, and once the cap was done, you could get gear. But some players do world PvP or raids and are super skilled. I’d go into a BG as Horde, and we’d win with a huge difference—like 50+ HKs on our side and 7 on the Alliance. Next BG? Complete reversal. We’d have 10 HKs, and the Alliance would have 50+. What do these numbers tell us? First, gear mismatch. Second, skill mismatch. Also, premade groups. I’ve played in premades of 4 people, and we just annihilated the enemy. We locked them in the graveyard for fun while the Druid capped the flag three times without any resistance. Honestly, I don’t enjoy that.

New System

I had an epiphany yesterday. After a losing streak in Blitz, I decided to try something new and joined Solo Shuffle. WOW! What an amazing system. And Blitz is great by design, too. But… the implementation? Not so much.

First off, arenas. There’s a huge amount of toxic players trying to compete in Solo Shuffle… which is silly. But okay, just ignore them. Solo Shuffle itself is a great example of how skirmishes should work, and the same goes for Blitz. It’s like a solo battleground with a good attempt to equalize things. I love that when I’m at 1400, I’m playing against similarly skilled and geared players. Even the losses are awesome because they’re balanced fights. Give or take.

But random BGs? Complete garbage! And Blitz could turn into garbage, too, because of the MMR system and the rating gain/loss mechanics. From 0 to 1600, it’s a nightmare, especially if you don’t hit 1600+ quickly. By the second or third week of the season, it feels like the game is telling you to stop and wait for the next season—or go do PvE.

Conclusion

I don’t have all the answers, but I believe that if they did the following, things would improve:

Introduce separate queues for random solo players and random premades, similar to Blitz and RBGs. Then, developers could create algorithms to average out item levels and match players based on gear, achievements (because they at least show players understand BGs), and current rating. This would be a solid solution. If you have a full PvE party, they should fight similar players and have fun, while PvP lovers get matched with equally skilled opponents.

I really enjoy the game, and I like to mix PvP with PvE (in Shadowlands, it was Torghast, and in TW, Delves). But come on, Blizzard, do the math! It’s not that difficult, and it would make the game better. Just imagine: some old players might return, and new PvP-focused players might actually stick around.

Most Important!

WoW really needs a solo queue for random BGs as well as rated ones because the amount of toxic players is higher than I remember—even more than in Shadowlands. I’ve had to disable private conversations because so many “gladiators” with a rating of 700+ in Solo Shuffle keep calling me a noob… Russians are another issue; they’re always rude and offensive. Why doesn’t Blizzard use AI to detect toxic behavior in chat and deal with it? I play on an RP server, but in Orgrimmar, it feels like everyone’s from everywhere, and BGs are full of toxic players. I constantly see people bullying others for an unlucky fight or a simple mistake.

P.S. Please if you don’t understand that keep in mind english not my born language, so instead to offend me, try use AI maybe… I’ve tried make it good. And I wanna that Blizzard read this. That’s all.

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1292 rating - 29% winrate - 122 games played as feral.

a top player could log onto your account and climb to 1800 or 2100 or 2400 in a week.

elo hell does not exist.

mmr hell does not exist.

if they did, boosting would be impossible. boosting is not impossible, in fact its so reliable entire businesses do nothing but boost and have done for a decade and a half.

there is no such thing as a ‘bricked character’ - you got to that rating and MMR because of your own gameplay. you can climb out of it by improving… or you can make more cope threads.

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First thing first as I said

What you wanna achieve linked my Dru? I didn’t hide this.

Second thing second:

No. Can’t I do not share my account. But you’re right For some players it’s not a problem. I can’t for example get 2400 in one week. I push hard in Blitz, for example in one game return 3 times flag. And so on… And just unlucky, but yeah losing streak. So when your team 1200 MMR and opponents 1500 MMR and we lose and I’ve got -15, or 1300 my team and 1400 opponents and I’ve got +0, or even something like this:

https://imgur.com/a/aK1M4sQ

That’s something tell you only from amount of games? :slight_smile: Mate, please read one more time and try understand what I am talking about.

BTW, why I need PvP boost of blitz? Just imagine. I wanna play! You saying nonsense without any explanation.

Like literally all the other PVP games? How is this a Warcraft issue? lol

Blitz matchmaking making 1800 average MMR against 1300 average MMR is pathetic (yes it happened)

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Blizz do not care about pvp to start with.

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Oh my man did you play League? i did play like 4 years ago last time
and let me tell you till this day i still have brain problems from that time
:smiley:

No I am not. But I play other games. But I compare WoW to the WoW.

Couldn’t agree more with most of what you said here. Even if they want to keep their broken rating system untouched. Just give us more content for pvp, please. There is so many things to do and gain and gather for pve. If there are many people that like to do BGs but aren’t into Arena or rated BGs, why don’t give them some more things to achieve…

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So… as I said many times, random BG ruined cause of gear, or whatever. I’ve just read US forums and the same problems with MMR:CR, with BG… like a mirror. :slight_smile: Well done Blizzard!

I’ll try to get at least 1800, or go to altoholism again. Eh…

I am Russian, and I am neither rude, nor offensive. Being racist devalues everything you write.

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I am not rasist, I play games and see behavior, maybe you an exclusion.

The main problem is really that pvp has a very high, painful barrier to entry after the first week, there’s no churn.

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I completely agree with you. The main point is: drop Rated for these who wants. I played rated in prev expansion because random are broken. Because my alts out of PvP, I simply can’t invest so much time, also play because of conquest. Now problem with conquest for gear solved, but…

Is that hard make an normal matchmaking for random? Blizzard lazy or it’s a kind of a business plan?

Play non-rated till you have gear? Don’t need to have fps gearing in wow.

The default honor gear is bad. You will do 1/2 of the maxed player dps.

Forced endless 3-3s because of a DPS that doesn’t press defensives is most certainly a thing for healers in shuffle.

Last week I was 1725 CR.

Now I’m down to 1570 CR because of 3-3 games draining my MMR and I keep meeting healers at lower mmr than me and then I barely gained anything when I’ve won because the other healer is lower but lost a ton if I lose because the other healer is lower.

4-2 +8 rating.
2-4 -29 rating.
3-3 lose mmr.

Then in Blitz BGs.

Games at 1300 mmr:

“What is a base/flag? We go zerg mid”

Games at 1500 mmr:

“Oh, the blood DK is kidnapping our priest? Naaaaaah, not gonna help him”.

“wtf useless priest½!11!1” when we lose because we’re down a healer.

Game at 1800 mmr:

“Oh, the blood DK is kidnapping our priest? Naaaah, not gonna help him”

“wtf useless priest½!11!1” when we lose because we’re down a healer.

Game at 2k mmr:

“Oh the blood DK is ki— lol, freedom. Screw you DK.”

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Idk if you constantly get matched into games under your mmr where you either loose rating or your rating stays the same then I believe that it exits.

The BG’s, non rated, broken and do not have fun at all.

That’s the point people speak on forums about.

I disagree. Leveling + full gear took me a day. A DAY, my man.
Point me a time in history where that was possible.

I strongly agree here. Premades should be banned.
And by “premades” i dont mean quing with 3 friends. I mean 15/15 premade type of thing. People legit abuse the system so they can enter the same BG even though theyre in different groups (because the system limit is 5 man)

Yeah but from what I can see it only benefits people. Soooo, your complaint is what exactly ?

Facts.

I partly agree, since honor gear gets redundant really quickly.
But on the otherhand, as stated earlier- i literally geared in a day.

What ? rated pvp? competing? absurd! STERILIZE THIS AREA !

Nobody tells you anything mate, also getting rating is optional.
Arena is clearly not your calling, im not saying dont push it- by all means, dont give up but from what im getting you’re not having fun either. So question is - why bother?
Just so you can understand from where im coming from: I also see arenas more like a chore so now that blitz is out - i dont do em anymore.
You need only participation for the gear not rating, and gear updates dont require rating either (even though the upgrades affect only their pve power.)

Dude thats totaly a seperate topic and this AI is super problematic to the point where people have lost their 10 years + accounts to it because it perma bans you for mild language breaches.
Theres one thing that stuck with me throughout the years:
“For security you pay with freedom” and its ALWAYS the case.
Im constantly paranoid using the chat when i just want to communicate strategy or critique a flawed one that i might get auto-banned.
I say this in the healthiest and friendliest way possible, mate so dont take it in a bad light but in short:
Grow a spine.
A pair.
Or however u wonna put it.
There milions of years of evolution behind you in which non of your predecessors were fragile flowers, no need to pretend to be one - it gets you literally nothing but entitlement and a weak character, infact it robs you and those around you from your freedom too, as I said earlier.

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