Theory: Female characters are better at everything

[Amazoner-kul-tiras]

@Daelinna-argent-dawn

It’s almost like people are not a hivemind and there are a lot of players who also praised Varian, Thrall, Vol’jin, Greymane, Cairne, or Garrosh.

Fair enough.

How many of those characters are in BfA ?
Thrall and Greymane.

• Thrall is hated by a good portion of the Horde player base for siding with Saurfang and Baine.
• Greymane, his best moment was probably when he decided to side with Tyrande and leave Anduin.

You see the discussion is only about BfA narrative, as I said:

@Amazoner-kul-tiras

Before BfA, I considered the narrative was a cherry on the cake, that was WoW gameplay.
Now, it is literaly unplayable.

@Daelinna-argent-dawn

The point is about Sylvanas, who was later on defeated all the same. You can remove Alleria since she fell for the trap too. Jaina did too and only escaped narrowly.

3 female characters clashing in a scenario none was allowed to win or kill the other.

• Write a victory for Jaina and Aleria and Sylvanas will look bad.
• Write a victory for Sylvanas and Jaina and Aleria will look bad.

@Daelinna-argent-dawn

Only Baine. He is the only one who’s considered a traitor. And that has nothing to do with gender. He’s a traitor who happens to be male. He isn’t a traitor because he’s male. He could be a woman and people would still call him a traitor.

Very well.
What about Saurfang ?

@Zarao-colinas-pardas

The second they turned Saurfang from one of my favourite characters, into another pawn of Goldens weird fetish with Anduin’s perfection.
When the Orc Overlord had to be taught of honour and motivation by a teenage human boy.

Saurfang vs Sylvanas horde poll only

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" Saurfang is a stupid old orc who mumbles about honor while seeking nothing but a warrior’s death for himself. He doesn’t care about the victory if it wasn’t achieved honorably in his eyes, and he’d lead an army to defeat and his soldiers to their untimely deaths as long as he believes that it was the honorable thing to do.

Saurfang cannot comprehend that “muh honor” doesn’t win wars. In fact, it has no contribution to victory at all. Baine is also cut from the same cloth, and both Saurfang and him must be killed, preferably at players hand. Much better if they are killed dishonorably such as by being poisoned or stabbed in the back, so that they’d be deprived from the thing they value most, an honorable death.

Sylvanas, on the other hand, also is far from being my favourite. But if I have to choose between Sylvanas and Saurfang & Baine, I’d choose Sylvanas any time.

One more for Sylvanas from me. I have characters on both factions."

- Remember this topic ?
“It’s official now - Saurfang is traitor”

That new cinematic… another backstab to the horde pride.
Before - some could assume he will do stuff alone. Now he’s actually teaming up with Alliance
“I hoped you could stop her”
Yeah. Lets kill him"

- Theres a comment from Erevien:
Cover me surprised. No problems siding against Zappy Boi on all my alts. Screw Saurfang and all his Anduin bootlicking friends. I told you so btw. Gonna replay the Lordaeron Scenario just to grab the Blightthrower another time.

- There’s also a comment from you:
“I… I do not doubt that our wise King seeks only the best for us, his noble people. But he is too lenient with that animal. Trust an Orc, and you will be served with a knife in your back.”

Now let us try to find a similar character within the female roster from both factions, similar to: Baine or Saurfang.
I can’t find anyone, who players would call a traitor and that’s including both the Alliance and the Horde.
Also. I mentioned:

@Amazoner-kul-tiras

How many times male characters, like Anduin, Baine, Saurfang, Thrall, Lor’themar were considered “weak”

Being “weak”, for me, means, doing things people would consider inappropriate for war times, things that probably would go against your factions insterests, here’s a few examples:
Baine retrieving Derek to Jaina:

[Spoiler] An Unexpected Reunion

Saurfang saying to Anduin: “I hoped that you would stop her.”
Anduin: “I can’t.
Not, alone.”
*Opens the prison door.

Cinematic: "Lost Honor"

Again, let us try to find female characters in this type of situation from both factions, I can’t find none.

You might point Jaina.
But she only went after Anduin explicitly asked her to go.
Her High King asked her.

@Daelinna-argent-dawn

You’re grasping at straws to find an agenda that, for once, isn’t there. Gender has nothing to do with the strength or weakness of these characters.

Very well, name three badass characters from both sides, in BfA male characters.
Surely you can find them, it’s Alliance+Horde.

I can find three, all female characters, their alignment: evil, neutral or good doesn’t come to place:

• Tyrande.
• Jaina.
• Sylvanas.

You named Nathanos, that’s one, only two remaining.
And by the way that guy is plaged with Sylvanas blind obedience, but I will consider him a badass, not on Varian, Ga’Nar level for sure.

My opinion as well:

@Zakkaru-burning-legion

Yeah I think WoW shouldn’t implement moden RL morals to this gane.

@Zarao-colinas-pardas

It’s, to put it simply, breaking the immersion from a player point of view.

And this is a problem i personally think is getting more and more dominant currently.

I mean, why are you writing a war story with warlike races when you are going to turn them all around into your mouthpiece that demonises war itself?.

Consider this not a “My point of view is better than yours” because it’s not, I am just interested in reading your opinion as I said before:

@Amazoner-kul-tiras

I could be wrong, that’s why I wanted to know your opinion.

Cheers.