It crazy.
Blizzard is already working on blocking combat related weak auras and people just drive more nails into the add-ons coffin.
Now they made a weak aura specifically to bully other players.
If you kick someone cause he isn’t delivering the DMG he should for the content you do that’s one thing.
But kicking someone regardless of DPS or any other metrics just cause he uses Obr?
That’s weird controlling behaviour and probably a sign of a troubled person
It’s a sign of a troubled culture.
Listening to the reasonings of people can be quite disturbing sometimes. Some are not so friendly and have sickening ways of treating others. Perhaps they were themselves treated poorly and became ill from it.
I still do not get why is the OBR an issue to you.
It sounds similar to a situation with someone who was fine with eating quality sausages until they found out how some of them were made. The taste, quality and texture is the same but somehow the process is a deal breaker
I’ve never understood why this is considered toxic. God forbid somebody can see your perfomance in a videogame. Same with the prohibition of dmg meters in FF14.
If WoW is the example of toxicity then tell me why, 99,9% of the time, nobody says a word about anything. Hiding these stats actually pretty upsets me because:
Plus in Solo Shuffle, targets are picked based on how easily they can be killed, not by their dmg output. And I’d bet that if you rely on OBR in arena, you will do next to no dmg anyway.
It’s not even necessarily that. I wouldn’t use OBR just because I don’t think it would be fun. To me it would be like playing an FPS with an infinite ammo homing rocket launcher. You get a non homing one in Resi 2 and it one shots everything. Some people like that though and that’s fine.
I agree with what you are otherwise saying though but I do not believe that Blizzard didn’t know it would turn out this way. I think MS made them do it so WoW can come to console.
In gw2 they show the metric how you perform but they don’t have to tell about others. I honestly don’t believe that those metric don’t affect how others treating you or someone esle.
I woul be also fine if that would be applied in m+, that only you could see in the end how did you perform compared others
It is not automatically toxic to wanna see, whether someone uses OBR. It can also just be a consolation for manual input players, who perform worse than the ones with automated gameplay
I am or a neutral mind towards this…weakaura.
For raids, I do 99% of my raids with guildies. That super rare 1% when I have to pug raids(or LFR), I am used to pugs using their 
to press keyboard buttons. So somebody using OBR or not, wouln’t matter much anyway. Woulnt see much of a difference in your average pug performance.
For m+. It also meaningless. Ok, it detects John A using OBR. Aight, what now? Sure, kick him, harass him whatever. Whats the point? The key is dead from that point anyway. I also see no point in harassing your average pug in m+. They don’t listen to you whenever you write compliments or verbally attack them anyway so a waste of typing time.
IF there was an addon or option which detects OBR usage BEFORE the key is started or you can make in settings with no OBR usage allowed. Sure we could discuss this a bit more seriously. But a weakaura which detects OBR usage after key is started is meaningless. Wont change the outcome…
^^ Fair enough. My point has always been: if it helps you enjoy the game more, then use it. The cool thing is, you don’t even have to use it all the time. You can just keep the option on your action bar. Then, if you run into a dry-eye or contact lens issue, there’s a safety net you can utilise while you take care of it. If players have a sneezing fit, or take a drink that “goes down the wrong way” and they start coughing—boop—OBR engaged temporarily.
But let’s not stigmatise it or make people feel like they’re not allowed to use it. And certainly, let’s not bully or harass people over it.
^^ Not quite. OBR doesn’t turn you into a god-mode gamer with special powers or give you a huge advantage with infinite ammo. To use your analogy more accurately, it’s a bit like how many people choose to play an FPS with a controller instead of a keyboard and mouse, because with a controller, many FPS games give the player assistive aiming. Now imagine someone develops an add-on to detect players who use a controller, then uses that to harass and exclude them from content.
Humanity always showed great innovation and creativity when it comes to negative discrimination…
I’m not advocating for SBR sniffers and I do feel like blizzard if they feel like the sniffer goes against their intended design will just break WeakAuras even faster, but I also do not believe the intent is to flame people who use the SBR, its to exclude them.
Flaming them implies engagement, excluding them implies the opposite
Exactly. I’m sure that people who use it for disability reasons feel the same and they are already punished with the game being less fun for them.
I personally have an ongoing condition that makes me hard to concentrate and creates brain fog (not ADHD, but hormonal and I actually have a long sick leave because of that). I thought I would never need to use that option, but after using it on some dps specs i understood the point. Sure I still have some mains and play without it, but why not having a break and just casually enjoy the game without feeling exhausted.
And believe me, yes it’s less fun that doing the rotation, and frankly, I know the rotation and learned the classes. But sometimes I just need a break and don’t want mindlessly watch tv. I’m actually not sure why everyone behaves as people who use it, didn’t learn their class. Most of classes are pretty easy too.
Oh yeah, also, if OBR users successfully do 14s as Amonet said, maybe you should ask why is that? And maybe those 14s isn’t that hard content if Obr users can succeed them?
Exclusion is also a flawed reason, because if that thing can allegedly outperform the average, heroic raider, it is not a liability whatsoever.
If anything there is more reason to force people to use the SBA than to do much worse rotations.
I do not have the numbers right now, I am just operating on what people say in videos like Bellular etc
Let me rewrite that for you:
If you use the 1-button macro in a place you should not (dissabled or not) then you will get called out for it.
And that is good. Stop using minorities to advance agendas. Dissabled people are perfectly capable of defending themselves. They don’t need you to do it for them.
And most importantly, they were playing just fine with out the 1 button assist. They should not need it to begin with.
No, you’re wrong, just because you and/or some people decides or don’t like the button in some (or all) places, it doesn’t mean you can’t use it. Remember, Blizzard allows everyone to use it anywhere.
On the other hand, harassing or calling out other players for using a feature of the game implemented by the creator, owner and developer of the game, could result in getting penalties.
Everything is easy if you use automation. Absolutely anyone can program drums to play at any speed. That doesn’t mean it’s easy to actually play drums.
It’s like that in all games. In the games like Lies of P and Sekiro where you have to parry, it would be faceroll if there was auto parry.
Lies of P does have an auto parry power but it isn’t infinite.
Either way, this WA will no longer work once they restrict addon access to the combat log, likely in midnight expansion
Stuff like this just makes me hope Blizzard finally scraps nonsense like WAs altogether. The level of toxic, completely unnecessary gatekeeping went too far years ago, now it’s just absurd.
Well, he IS punished for putting in more effort. He will get less M+ score, less rewards, less spots in the raid, compared to the other guy who is putting in less effort.
This is not subjective, it’s a measurable fact.
How do you measure perfect play? How do you come to that conclusion?
There’s another player with the same spec in your group. He is using OBR. He also out performs your damage by 15%. Other player metrics such as damage taken, interrupts and heals are similar to yours.
Do you feel that you are doing a perfect play?
Imagine that in a MMORPG, there’s only you. Not exactly the MMORPG experience, is it?
Ok but the assistant is now here so people are allowed to use it.
And what would a place where it should not be used?
The important thing is that you fulfill your role.
If the person does enough DPS and plays the mechanics what do others care about if Obr gets used?
And if the person doesn’t meet the DPS required and doesn’t play the mechanics right then you already have a reason to kick them