They put the Alliance in the coffin

As much as yours! and majority of classic forum section.

So if i stop this thread should nto exist either.

Mate it’s as simple as this, AV was never intended to be premades by neither faction. No argument of yours will ever change this.

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Oh yea… it was WSG same as back then ? it was intended to be full of premades ? what about casual players ? they are forced to go into a hard core WSG grp to even play that map, man… what are you talking about ? are we playing same game ?

AV is a pug BG nothing more, dont like it ? dont join, simple is that… and if you wanna play AV pug vs pug go ahead but dont come here and cry everytime you lose AV…cuz you not gonna get your ally premade vs horde pug again

And there is the huge difference between Horde E.U and U.S… for you is just a personal thing… let’s all die and let horde to play the game then ? probably you will be happy and fill up your baby ego, PvP community should addres anything that is wrong with the PvP… same as alliance did when AV were gone way to far

he dont believe in players rolling faction because of racials :wink:

Did you read what i wrote at the start of the thread ? k… listen here… PvPer that you are… you post everytime in our topics and you stated that you are not playing AV at all… how dare you to come to the table with nothing just words ? did you played Alliance side and you know the all the problems that alliance faces ? where did i stated that i want the premades back ? i said that we want fair FIX … if devs were fixing AV… they should have fix all the exploits … or we make changes only what we like ?

tldr - allience cannot cheat anymore and it making them angry

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I am just realistic, they are not gonna change map first of all and not gonna do something about boss and npcs too ( they hit like lvl 50 npc) I playing on ally side too yea 60 dwarf warr, I join AV with that char and when I look around at AV, I just see non skilled players dont know what to do… they just nuke to nearest horde player and guess which class is that… tauren with full tank gear specc, instead of attacking dps or healer, they just attack tank or start to flee instead def…

actually this probably result of fixing premades who dont leave queue by 30 players at once now.
and they add 2 minutes mandatory queue to AV for alliance to make hordes happy by disabling premades
then one side have winrate 95% something really broken hard here, developers need to take a look and make changes ASAP, but noon cares, loosing side is alliance, leave, cry, unsub whatever, total ignorance :+1:

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Yes, wsg was full of premades Vs pugs at least on my server. You know why? Because it had a join as group button. We are playing the same game, it’s just some of us haven’t developed Alzheimer’s over 15 years.

Do you have proof of this 95% winrate? Didn’t think so, another alliance cry post, I’ve noticed alliance have actually started to fight back recently, so that’s a good step forward for you lot !

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If only Devs could turn pve carebears and dad gamers into competent players uh?

well, while i bothered to pug AV, my winrate was 0% - zero for 3 weeks of trying

it is very easy, they did it already by introducing Every man for himself racial, which was not even as overpowered as wotf and hardiness in vanilla, it’s just was annoying in arenas.

Sounds like you need to get good! Reroll horde. See what I done there? I copyied the alliance responses and changed it slightly.

follow reddit, there are screenshots with win / loses rate… you didn’t notice anything bro, those guys are from premades… obv they want to win… but since you an expert on PvP probably you did notice that i wrote about afk and bots ? pugs ? etc ? o_O" you’re calling out these guys to fight ? lmao

They made already good players swap. Didn’t turn brainless players into good players just in itself.

Just becaue something is on internet does nto meant it is true do you know it ?

In bfa people say alliance is bad i just counted my %ˇwinrate and i have - Ali char 63% winrate on my char and Horde char- 72% on my main.

I highly doubt these “95%” wirnate even exists.

You are just bad.

You guys managed to have 95% winrate with your “premades” how the F you cant do same anymore?

PLAY TOGETHER COMMUNICATE and WIN!

There is ingame chat,in game voice i do not understand you said you could won why not anymore?

Horde is wining becsue they COMMUNICATE!

And i doubt any of you could tell difference between premade and pug which is communicating.

Reason for your lose/ look of 95% of time you lose is becaseu they are less of you and when group is filled with afking leaching baddies who do nto even try and are professionasl in afking/hiding then you lose.

And anyone with will to fight see what his F faction is doing figures out goes horde when he/she does not see such disgusting behaviour which you can report btw.

If it makes you feel better you can imagine what a great adaptive player you are.

But the reality is that alliance began afking/loosing fast because it realized was second best strategy (i.e. adapting to instant queues and honor gains). Premades became so prominent because active players adapted to afkiing being so viable. Horde was wining against some premades because half of them were a bunch of randoms avoiding afk-ers.

What alliance is complaining is that with av changed Blizzard made losing fast to be not second best strategy but the most viable.