This is RIDICULOUS

[Uda-uldum]

Continuing the discussion from Updates to Healer Specializations in Midnight:

@Kaivax

Interrupts

At the beginning of the Midnight Alpha, we made a change to all interrupt abilities players have, increasing their interrupt duration by 2 seconds each. This change should make interrupt effects more effective when trying to shut down an enemy caster or have them move closer to engage in melee.

Healing can be a stressful role when you must manage several things at once: your own healing abilities, your team’s health, and the enemy’s actions. We feel that asking the healer to monitor the cast bars of things they don’t have targeted while properly using their interrupts was asking too much.

In the Midnight Alpha this week, we’ve removed access to interrupts from all healer specializations, except Restoration Shaman. These talents will be replaced with other talent nodes for healer specializations in a future Midnight Alpha build. We recognize that this is a significant loss of utility in some circumstances and want to make sure that content available to a healer is still completable, especially considering solo experiences such as the special Delve boss encounters or any other solo challenge experiences.

Restoration Shaman will keep access to Wind Shear, however, for Restoration specifically, the cooldown of Wind Shear will be increased to 30 seconds. We like healers having different capabilities and feel that Wind Shear is an important part of a Restoration Shaman’s toolkit.

What in god’s name are they thinking here…

What are healers going to be now? It’s ridiculous! No DPS. No HPS. 3 buttons. No kicks or CC… No Party Frames. No targeted spells… no nothing…

They say “healing specs” are stressful. And what are they going to do? Remove our kicks so we get a heart attack every time we see a mob cast something in the Nameplates?

COMMON… I mean… sure, we had a ton of modifiers, utility, and CDs and all they had to do is nerf their power. Not remove them completely!

And FYI: If I dont get a kick. Then I want a Priest PI. What is this ridiculous situation…

[Keento-argent-dawn]

Maybe try it first before going all doom and gloom?

[Uda-uldum]

@Keento-argent-dawn

Maybe try it first before going all doom and gloom?

Sure… and if it sucks will they backtrack somehow? Doubt it.

I could say the same about so many current topics. Such as the heated discussion on the Dinars and LFR raids.

“Try it first before going all doom and gloom”. And now that it’s here… will they change anything? NOPE…

I have been playing RShaman for well over a decade. I know how all this will turn out. No doubt about it.

[Deillwyna-ravencrest]

So? I want the old formula.

Healers heal. Dps do damage. Tank…. Do tank things.

[Uda-uldum]

@Deillwyna-ravencrest

So? I want the old formula.

Healers heal. Dps do damage. Tank…. Do tank things.

And do you know WHY the old formula was ditched a long time ago?

Because healers have this thing called “over-healing”. Tanks have this thing called “over-mitigation”. But DDs dont have a thing called “over-DPS”.

Here. Have a read:

My opinion on Restoration Shaman changes coming in Midnight

And that is what I cannot stop repeating to people. Healers (and tanks too) have this problem that we have abilities with a cap. Healers have over-healing. Tanks have over-mitigation. But DDs? There is no such thing as “over-DPS”… it dosent exist. So it’s absolutely logical to dump those extra GCDs into DPS. So yes, healers heal. But what do they do when they dont? Because people dont have any more HP than 100%. That’s the thing… ----------------- // --------------------- And you mi…

Basically. If you want healers to heal, you need damage for them to heal. Otherwise they just stand there doing nothing…

Correction. Not “nothing”. They will be EXPECTED to DPS, like in SL.

So. If you DONT want to DPS, then you are in a high damage, high burst, high stress healing scenario. If you want to heal, but NOT have high stress, high damage, high burst then you DPS.

It has been the feedback loop since Vanilla basically. So if you want a “no stress” healing situation, AND not have to DPS, then you have to dump your GCDs on something other than DPS. Like CC for example.

[Nobooping-silvermoon]

@Uda-uldum

What in god’s name are they thinking here…

Probably nerfing the amount of interrupts needed in a boss fight also .if so ,that is a good change .

[Keento-argent-dawn]

@Uda-uldum

I know how all this will turn out. No doubt about it.

No you don’t.

[Uda-uldum]

@Nobooping-silvermoon

Probably nerfing the amount of interrupts needed in a boss fight also .if so ,that is a good change .

Who cares about bosses Nobooping…

What about packs. Kicks are mostly used there.

@Keento-argent-dawn

No you don’t.

I absolutely do. In fact, you can play like you play in midnight right now. Just dont select the talents they removed, and use only the spells they left behind.

And test the rotation. You can do that.

As for boss and M+ encounters, I know exactly what will happen. Because it’s an infinitely scalable system.

Either they dumb down dungeons to such a degree that there are no casters at all. Which means everything will be white hits and massive unavoidable AoE/ST nukes…

Or… They dont change anything. And we are back to combo-wombos 1-shoting people.

It’s mathematical.

[Keento-argent-dawn]

Sure, what else does your crystal ball say?

[Masingever-draenor]

@Uda-uldum

And do you know WHY the old formula was ditched a long time ago?

Because healers have this thing called “over-healing”. Tanks have this thing called “over-mitigation”. But DDs dont have a thing called “over-DPS”.

No they added heal to dps because ppl was complaining how boring is to just heal and any dps even from healer could help boss or trash dies faster because dps is not capable to kill itself lol

But tho me as healer if i choose to play heal I want to heal and not dps because in most of cases people do take a lot dmg and having perfect scenario where I can dps is rare lol

Why I need as resto druid to take cat form and dps like for real lol?

[Deed-silvermoon]

It’s a good change. Healers are meant to heal, not handling what dps is supposed to do.

[Uda-uldum]

@Masingever-draenor

No they added heal to dps because ppl was complaining how boring is to just heal and any dps even from healer could help boss or trash dies faster because dps is not capable to kill itself lol

But tho me as healer if i choose to play heal I want to heal and not dps because in most of cases people do take a lot dmg and having perfect scenario where I can dps is rare lol

Like with anything in M+, at WHAT level were you playing. Because it makes a difference.

I did some 10s and 12s last night. And I was bored out of my mind. Really. I spent 90% of my GCDs DPSing and could heal the party just using riptides.

And mind you. We are in a high burst damage meta at the moment.

@Deed-silvermoon

It’s a good change. Healers are meant to heal, not handling what dps is supposed to do.

And when they dont and Deplete because of it you will be back here whining. Im 100% sure.

Just like all those Priests that come here once in a while to cry that they dont have a kick.

@Keento-argent-dawn

Sure, what else does your crystal ball say?

My OP post. 3 buttons. And that’s it.

[Keento-argent-dawn]

@Deed-silvermoon

It’s a good change. Healers are meant to heal, not handling what dps is supposed to do.

This.

Back to basics , back to the required responsibilities.

[Nobooping-silvermoon]

@Uda-uldum

What about packs. Kicks are mostly used there.

Yes .true .there must be some decrease there too . I would wager that DPS and tanks would have enough interrupts so that healer interrupts won’t be needed and iirc reading restoration shaman still has interrupts but has its cool down increased to 30 or so .

[Noztra-burning-blade]

It goes both ways tho… reading about all those changes this might make me to try a healer for the first time in M+ first season of Midnight.

[Masingever-draenor]

@Uda-uldum

Like with anything in M+, at WHAT level were you playing. Because it makes a difference.

I did some 10s and 12s last night. And I was bored out of my mind. Really. I spent 90% of my GCDs DPSing and could heal the party just using riptides.

And mind you. We are in a high burst damage meta at the moment.

Depends with who u play u cant compare your experience with rest of community. I love resto druid for example but just think about it I need to go in mele to do dps as healer make me sick. Because first I dont want to play mele , never did and game is pushing me to do it making pressure on me as heal to go swap forms in middle of total chaos. So I stop playing resto druid .

[Keento-argent-dawn]

I want to play healer, loved it in every mmo, not wow.

I want to play button bingo to keep bars full.

Not dps

[Uda-uldum]

@Masingever-draenor

Depends with who u play u cant compare your experience with rest of community. I love resto druid for example but just think about it I need to go in mele to do dps as healer make me sick. Because first I dont want to play mele , never did and game is pushing me to do it making pressure on me as heal to go swap forms in middle of total chaos. So I stop playing resto druid .

I absolutely can and will.

Because at the moment, the kick and DPS situation of healers is perfect. It can be improved, but it’s perfect.

DPS and utility by a healer is not needed in low keys. Because the difficulty is not high enough to justify it. So if you believe “healers should heal” that’s fine. People that say that 99% of the time dont do anything more than a +12 anywais. And they can be true to their words: Heal and nothing else. The result of the key will be the same.

It only becomes relevant in high keys. Where it becomes a form of skill expression. Which is also good. You need some form of “progression”. Some “L2P” space. Where you give something to do to those players between a +12 and a +22. Which is ~ 10% of the people at the moment.

@Keento-argent-dawn

I want to play healer, loved it in every mmo, not wow.

I want to play button bingo to keep bars full.

Not dps

Then dont. What’s the problem with the game right now? You dont have to DPS at any moment.

What is keeping you from healing right NOW.

[Keento-argent-dawn]

@Uda-uldum

Then dont. What’s the problem with the game right now? You dont have to DPS at any moment.

What is keeping you from healing right NOW.

You and the community.

Any healer doing 0 DPS is either immediately kicked or flamed to death because “not contributing”

And reading https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/updates-to-healer-specializations-in-midnight/2189090/1 it seems they’re fully intent on going the FFXIV route with interrupts.

[Masingever-draenor]

So ye u dont need to dps in low keys but u do need to dps in higher keys.. So what it is do u need or u dont need lol!? U cant simply learn magically to heal and dps in same time if u never tryed especially first 10 or 12+ key u enter in. Its like character boost .. Its not same to lv char from lv 1 and pay boost in term of skill. So at end of day u need to play heal dps in order to do it proper in higher keys and thats something most people dont want to..

But sure if u want to do it nothing is stoping u but most people dont want to be mandatory as it should not be.