This will be very unpopular amongst many purists for classics however after much thought of my own I think it is very much required to stop the Biggest guilds such as Apes, clearing the event themselves day 1, leading to many many people missing it.
The opening of ahn’qiraj is the one thing I desperately want to see and be a part off in classic and will be the reason why ill be levelling a character in classic soon, however after I’ve thought about it… what’s the point? Whether you like it or not classic content has been proven to be cleared quickly by the big guilds. This is mainly due to the ease of access to knowledge and the fact they have had these things on-farm for years. It is almost certain that the big guilds will know the best ways to farm the resources for the event and the likely hood is these guilds alone will be able to open the doors very quickly and possibly even do it when no one else is there. we all know how toxic guilds like Apes are… I wouldn’t put it past them to do something like that.
That is simply my biggest fear. The opening of ahn’qiraj is iconic to WoW and It must be something seen again by as many players as possible, and it would be a damn shame for it to be ruined.
The Easiest way to prevent this is through time gating, holding the gates opening until a specific known time so players can try to make to the event on time. Yes, this isn’t Ideal, but for an event as big as this and as iconic as this, I think it must be done.
Yeah… if that’s true and as you say ‘desperately want’ then why haven’t you started classic with everyone else and haven’t got a 60 character? Not to be a dick here, but you probably don’t care that much as you’re trying to pretend here you do.
ahn’qiraj is a good few months away, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s saved till the summer at least. Levelling to 60 won’t take that long( as it was proven). Other than that I have no real reason to start any earlier. RL stuff got in the way off me levelling at the start (though I do have a lv10 or something I think) and now the new raid is my main priority with games, which ill probably be clearing soon.
Like I said other then ahn’qiraj I have no reason to level now. Me having a lv60 now, wouldn’t change my argument either as my fear isn’t having a 60 in time for it, my fear is one off the big guilds, doing it with no one else there.
Well then your ‘desperate want’ is probably more of an ‘impulsive fancy’, which is okay, but you can’t ask the ones who are truly motivated to have barriers put in their way.
I’m sure it will be time gated in some way, just like BWL was with the pre-quest.
not having a 60 now doesn’t make it an ‘impulsive fancy’…
and as ive said, getting to 60 is NOT an issue the issue is the big guilds doing it with no one there which you keep seeming to be ignoring. due to arrogance or something. wouldn’t you be annoyed if you woke up to find that APES or another guild had completed the opening of ahn’qiraj without anyone else there to see it, meaning they’ve missed that opportunity? THAT is the issue.
Time gating for BWL didn’t matter (it was still cleared day 1) and BWL isn’t a one-time thing, the opening of ahn’qiraj is.
I don’t get you now? You talking about opening the gates or doing the actual raid? Yes people will clear the raid whenever they can and probably day 1, the event leading up to it with resource turns in etc will probably be time gated, just as with BWL.
Ok, so you’ve not read anything then? I’ve repeatedly said this is about the event NOT the raid, aka the opening of ahn’qiraj, the event. BWL, AQ 40 etc can be one whenever at the start or end off classic, but the event only once and if you miss it, you miss it. the resources leading up to it aren’t exactly challenging, as I said earlier, the top guilds will know exactly how to get the most resources in the shortest amount off time, and the worry I have is them completing the event with no one else there, Like some toxic guilds did, back in Vinilla.
Also I wouldn’t call BWL time-gated when it was killed day 1… ok maybe the quest took a little bit of time but that isn’t really anything
War effort starts, both factions have to turn in lots of stuff
War effort won’t go to fast as not everyone will be keen on dumping resources. Only PvE with both active factions or some unicorn PvP will be quick enough which still can be weeks.
Silithus Cenarion Hold rep and quests become available alongside War Effort
People go there and look on the gear they want and start doing the orders missions
Some just farm the rep for the AQ20 gear and stuff, PROFESSIONS!
Some will try to farm rep items to sell on AH
This is often done in groups (killing elites)
On PvP servers with both factions present one side will be Horde, the other Alliance with at least one cultist camps per faction. On PvE it’s more-or-less alike with easier access to quest mobs on any camp.
On each camp there will be a 40-man PUG raid killing everything that moves - you get rep per kill so you stand there X hours killing and getting letters from all-greed or all-need rolls.
Guilds will try to farm summon gear sets and mats to do the middle and big summons - for turn in tokens as well as for some blue gear that can have very good stats. Big pylons have long respawn timers so it can be contested or “always down”.
Scarab lords and friends will be farming silithid and then doing events in Moonglade and other places
They will need some arcanite bars, elementium ore etc.
When war effort is ended and gong have been rung there is ~24h event at which Qiraj attack Silithus (and show up in other places? or just their crystals).
This on PvP looks similarly to cultist camp farming. Horde and Alliance divide spawn points between each other. A guild or even a PUG raid will stand on a spawn point and kill whatever moves. Nothing to spectacular.
Other people will be able to get some quests, turn-ins, nothing to spectacular.
So the question is what you want to timegate? The farm-o-rama takes time anyway. People want recipes and that needs rep, people, especially non-40-man-raiding may use ZG, AQ20 and Silithus turn-ins to get good gear, even really really good. That’s really good content there and the sooner zerg moves off cultists and hives the better (as it’s like better to farm letters and summon gear solo or in a small group).
The only interesting event is gong and if servers survive a massive event then that’s that.
Yes, then I said just like BWL it would be time gated with a pre-quest before entering (they release the quest earlier than the actual raid) and you said it didn’t matter because the raid itself was cleared in a day. Can I assume you not have played classic at all up till this point?
If it’s about the event there will be a 90% chance they will release it in mini-phases like they did the rest.
I’m gonna be on a pve server since wow pvp will never ever interest me so we can cut all that out and as everything else with classic, on paper looks complicated and difficult and in reality its done in a day by the top guilds.
The time gate should be that they say the actually event won’t start till X time on Z day when all that’s done…
Phase came out on the 12th… Raid killed on the 12th. Much time gating. The quest delayed it a few hours, that’s it. That isn’t time gating. Time gating is where the patch comes out on the 12th but the thing can’t be completed till later, like a couple of days later.
Because BWL had no event other than the pre-quest. I’m just gonna assume you don’t play classic, but with the release of Phases: bg’s, diremaul, sunken temple quests, bwl, they release content with a little time between each other. Aka, darkmoon faire cards start dropping one week before the actual darkmoon was introduced.
With BWL the quest to get into BWL was opened a month before the actual raid. You can assume with AQ 40 it will do so the same.
Raid unlock is in players hand and is realm specific. It’s not controlled by Blizzard. They only release the questlines. It’s up to players to finish the war effort, to do the Scarab Lord questline, rung the gong etc.
War Effort can take at minimum few days if people are stockpiling insane amounts of resources (turn in + few days of transport). The reality shows that even with active players the intent is smaller and it takes weeks if over a month when auto-decrease system kicks in. The Scarab Lord questline it’s like 2 raid resets if not more if you have everything - so that’s like 2+ weeks and if guilds decided to stack scarab lords they may wait for others to rung the gong.
And after that raid gets opened the zone still is active as the gear they offer for turn in is nice, plus AQ20 is on a 3 day reset, which for a 20-main is a fun thing to run. Class specific gear plus some catchup etc.
Someone rungs the gong and then there is like 24h window at which other can rung the gong to be Scarab Lord but without the title as it was added later (but they get the mount). The gong rung will be very likely realm coordinated so you should know beforehand at which day it will happen. It will however be many weeks after the patch is released.
A couple of serious guilds can have most of the stuff needed for the hand ins ready before p5 is released. I would be very surprised if high pop servers aren’t done with the hand ins in less than 3 days unless blizzard changes the item types and/or numbers needed.
Yes and no. There is not much benefit into finishing it quickly. Things like Purple Lotus, Firebloom become useful in end-game consumables so there is greed to that. Also you need like 2+ raid resets to do the questline so with war effort active you are protected by someone using the gong earlier. Some guilds may want to race it but it’s unlikely second faction will be doing the same, both “sponsoring” lots of gold to other guilds not rushing war effort.
When p5 comes (most likely August) a lot of people will be starved for new raid content, and won’t see much point in holding it off for the sake of saving a few hundred gold. Wait too long with the turn ins and you’ll end up losing out on a raid lockout, so there is very much an intesive to finish it as soon as possible.
Firebloom may become an issue on some servers, but 19k or whatever the required amount is, is nothing. I recently stocked up on 1k from the ah over a couple of weeks, and it cost me less than 5% of my raw gold despite me having most of my “networth” in materials/consumables. Purple lotus won’t be an issue, mana oil won’t consume anywhere near enough of it.
Just roll on a server without a hardcore private server guild, nothing needs to be timegated. The queues on the other hand, not a single person is gonna log off during the 10 hour event.
Don’t you need the mallet to ding the gong? Aka, a HUGE quest line requiring 2 raid IDs (aka 2 weeks) And TONS of rep farming with the bronze dragonflight (or something).