my favorite was the floating corpses spelling out their service in the air.
Thats right !!! I remember those in Orgrimar !!
First time I saw them I was so confused !
In my case this is because 3k is theoretically attainable, but higher is probably not realistic. Iād have to look for new friends or only PUG. Even reaching 3k turns out to be more challenging than I thought, also in part because Iām only an average player and still have lots to learn.
I did a 22 and a 24 with friends yesterday, and neither was in time. They were fine to heal, so Iām confident I can do this range of key levels, but the damage just wasnāt there, nor the experience. The 22 was a AD, almost 9 minutes left when we arrived at the end boss. Then the usual happened: tank didnāt move properly, people didnāt see spiders, someone ran into the boss with the images, etc.
The 24 was BRH. Had 3 minutes left by the time we got to the end boss, and then we managed to wipe. There werenāt really any problems before, no wipes, but there was almost 100M healing from Sanguine, and the overall damage was low. Oh, and a 22 Fall that I messed up at Timeways. Hate that boss and really need to practice it more, but I loathe the idea of doing that in other peopleās keys, so I only do this when I have a Fall key of my own.
Ultimately, I play this game because of my friends, because of the social aspect. Itās probably possible to combine this, to play with friends and also enlarge my circle of M+ playing connections so that I can also try harder key levels with experienced players. But then again, I feel I have been playing too much lately as it is (now also dabbling a little in Elemental because in my social circle we have too many healers).
It doesnāt have much to do with rewards for me. I feel the sense of progression and the satisfaction from improving are rewarding enough for me. Itās more because of a lack of opportunity and also wanting to have fun with people I know/can chat with.
Nah business owners like me who are trying to make some gold need it.
I spam my own tanking service constantly. 484 ilevel Guardian Druid with cheat death will tank for free. Whisper me for prices.
Let me tell you.
I strongly disagree. It IS realistic and attainable by you.
As you said. You messed up at some points along the way and you (and your mates) need to practice a bit. Simple as that.
If you do, you will improve. You and your buddies.
So as long as you are having fun playing the game with your buddies, and have an open mind for every failure and success, improvements will come over time on their own.
And next season, you will see you will be healing stuff that you thought was impossible today.
And that applies to EVERYONE. At ANY level. Your there in your 22s. Others are doing their 18s. Others 25s. But were all there, playing the same game. Feeling satisfied with improving a bit every day.
So GJ and kudos to you. You are enjoying M+ as it should be enjoyed.
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Boosters were there but very niche. It was usually limited to the top guilds, or very good players. With high ilevel every tier any muppet can boost.
Achievements are meaningless now.
It was more limited because we were realm based.
Itās disgusting how many people get around getting boosts in this game. And they always have this lame excuse for just sucking at the game and having to resort to boosts. āI joined late in the seasonā, āI have a full time jobā, "Just an alt, who cares". Nah you just SUCK, thatās why you buy boosts. Nothing means anything anymore. They should get rid of the services channel, the token and permaban boosters and customers. I really despise this boosting culture and economy.
Came across this gem today whilst gearing up an alt in M+ This player currently sits at 2500+ rating in 483 gear and dishes out these kind of stats (donāt worry I censored all names):
https://imgur.com/a/LfCqemK
Yes thatās him with the lowest damage overall, yes thatās him with most damage taken (apart from the tank obviously) and yes thatās him with 0 interrupts (literally zero).
Get rid of the token and stop facilitating the boost economy.
This post make blizz lose money so keep the cope mate.
Im btw on the non-token side but, as garrosh said, times change.
Just a note. Boosts or lack of them wonāt suddenly āforceā subperforming people to get betterā¦if they dont want to get better.
Plenty of non boosted people around who donāt know what an āinterruptā is as well.
It would be trueā¦
If you could carry an PuG group (both M+, Raid, and Arenas) all on your own.
Which you cant. 
So yeahā¦ excuses hold true.
I regularly see two lvl 10 Death Knights in Orgrimmar with very similar names, each sits for hours next to a mailbox, I am sure they are not doing it for the goodness of their health, they must be making money out of it somewhere.
I remember boosting service in vanilla to present day . Guilds running through MC , level boosts etc back in 06
I remember my friend buying KT and Lady Vashj boosts to complete the quest to get into Black temple on his new alt. He wanted to main in TBC
I remember people selling mount runs in Zulāaman in TBC and Cata for the bear mount
In wrath our guild sold Ulduar 25 , and trial 10 hc boosts
Always been boosts
But those 2 lvl10s could be some dude that likes to speculate in the AH. For fun.
And that is a totally legal thing to do.
If you start carpet banning you end up with false positives. And that is bad.
My take on this stuff was always that a character had to be a subscriber and a certain level to even be allowed access to certain chat channels. A general F2P-chat/trade-channel for all the non-subscribed (who may or may not have ulterior motives) not visible to the general crowd would be the way in my mind.
Then they can yammer about goldselling to their hearts content with each other in that channel. And the F2P-crowd not there to scam etc. can make up their mind as to whether or not itās worth it to subscribe to get outta that circus.
The subscribers would just have to exercise a stringent amount of self control in the common chats to avoid bans etc. If merely mentioning the name of a goldselling site or hinting about boosts paid with REAL currency or the like will get you algorithm-banned, as some have hinted, then stop poking at the algorithms with your stick, son. Leave that stuff to the spammers and scammers.
But I digress. The topic at hand was to get rid of the āServicesā channel, a channel with which I have no particular issue. I left it rather quickly the first time I entered a capitol city and saw the chat window filled to the brim with āServicesā yelped by half-ish of the online community.
Leaving a chat is not the hardest thing in the world. Itās quite easy. And if Blizzard would make it a cardinal point to explain the general use of the official chat channels to the gamers and police it ruthlessly, then this would in my mind eventually end up being a close to non-issue.
Iām perfectly aware some will claim Iām outta my mind when saying that the general chat is for various types of small talk, the trade chat is for trading ITEMS or advertising your AH-tidbits, the local defense chat is for, well, city/area-wide PVP. And not for anything else. Well, at least that was the original intended purpose of them, and donāt claim it wasnāt.
I couldnāt care less about people advertising boosts, as long as itās in the āServicesā channel and within the legal limits. Iām pretty sure I donāt have to explain in any great lenghts what ālegal limitsā entails. This has been debated a long time, and I personally see no grey area.
I suppose ādonāt hawk your crap for real money in the chatsā ought to cover it satisfactorily, yes?
The best explanation Iāve seen of boosting was by an RPer who bought a boost. He saw it as he was paying mercenaries to help him through a dangerous area. In this case some dungeons.
He had fun, the boosters were entertained as he stayed in character the whole time. But really he hit the nail on the head with his interpretation of boosting.
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Btw far and away more than boosters/boosted people I find that mentality like yours is toxic for the game.
Apart from attributing value to achievements in wow from all things, (which apart from a slight few, has always been about commitment more than skill), you actively shame people for the way they want to play.
Itās a 2,5k player during the final weeks of the patch, if he knew how to do damage, interrupts or mechanics, he would have reached 2,8k-3k by now without even pushing.
He reached 2,5k just because of random people āboostingā him passively in his key, just like I have done to others.
The dungeons are easy enough, that if you want an easy weekly, you prefer to get someone like him for his 18 AD/fall key and just boost him through it.
But then, not only do you not see how someone of his level might have this performance, you actually SHAME them for it and think that you are better.
This is a GAME, let them play how they want with their time/money, and if you are not in the mood to play with people like those, there are plenty of tools to avoid them.
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Itās not like I can tell up front how this person will perform. Not even to mention that I didnāt invite him. But the problem with your argument is that you only advocate for one side and that is a side that gains rating, gear, status in a unnatural way and most of times in a illegal way as per Blizzard TOS. Now you could say the same about advocating for me except, I donāt get to regions I shouldnāt belong at nor will I underperform or throw games at those regions because I donāt buy boosts but learn when (slowly) grinding upwards. Therefor, have you ever maybe considered how I and others want to play the game? Do you think I enjoy baby sitting players like that? Do you think I enjoy getting players in 20+ keys who donāt know how to interrupt or work an affix but are mainly on this gear level, key level and rating because they bought boosts? Do you think I enjoy seeing advertisements in general channels and the group finder? That is something that severely diminishes my fun and is caused by the boosting culture. And Iām not talking about your average player that makes a mistake here and there, heck Iām probably average myself, but Iām talking about players who belong in 5ās and would never pass that region if it werenāt for boosts. This person in the screenshot literally does the damage of someone in ilvl 415, yet he is ilvl 483. Hell yeah I will call him out because they are part of this despicable pay2win boosting culture and because itās a multiplayer game, I have to deal with it in a mode that is challenging/competitive by nature. But donāt worry, there are indeed ways to avoid him and he is already added as a premium member to my PBL with big exclamation marks.
And tbh, I would like to think that past certain key levels it is mostly my skill level that determines my ability to push higher rating and key levels, and not the time commitment unless we are talking about committing time to learning strategies, encounters and playing your character the right way. I think the people who defend boosting culture are probably people who regularly buy boosts themselves or benefit from them.
Ofc you can. He is 2,5k rio, that is all that you need to know.
As I said above, if you are doing a +20 and a 2,5k player is inside, you expect that to be a boost. If you believe that he will pull his weight, then it is on you for not knowing how things work.
How āyouā want to play the game stops at you. Here you are complaining about the game of other people, and guess what?
They have the same rights, just because they pay the same for the game. If they want to go into a m+ do 0 damage, and not interrupt, it is their choice. As is your choice to avoid them.
Skill has nothing to do with keys until you reach 25-27s. And yes commitment encompasses time spent learning tactics, watching vods, fixing your ui, and running keys.
Those and also anyone who does not care what others do in this game, that does not affect them. You literally can see from miles away who has brought boosts and who not (from their dungeon history), so you just learn to avoid them when you do not want them in your group.
After you learn that there is 0% chance that anyone getting a boost or boosting someone affects you.
And yes I have both boosted and got boost. It is easier for weeklies to just find a boosting group to run a fast dungeon, which at the end you will also get a sum of gold. As for getting boosted, no way I am gonna spend 20 hours gearing my 4th alt, when I can just buy a boost, use the services I have also provided, and get people to help me get the gear I want fast.
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Exactly and that is the problem. Because no real player in i483 will perform like this but I cannot see if he bought boosts, all I see is that but thanks very much for pointing this out as you just validated my point.
This wasnāt a +20. When Iām talking about 20 and up keys, Iām talking about my main and the observed behavior from boosted players in key levels where they shouldnāt be and perform like that.
I wish it would but itās a multiplayer game.
There we go. I knew it 
. Only players that buy boosts or benefit from boosts defend the system this hard. But Iām glad youāll admit, I think itās pathethic but your choice.
Haha I would like to refer to my first post: