Titanforging and Mythic Plus

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Right, Genuine question i can’t seem to find an answer to, be it from me simply being bad at researching and so on.

But, with Titanforging being removed in 8.3 and hopefully for the future in terms of Shadowlands aswell. I do have some things im concerned about. Hopefully someone here can give me their thoughts/answers to it.

How is Mythic Plus Loot going to work with titanforging being gone, if its static values in terms of pure ilvl, say 430 from highest M+ (10 in this case as of right now) and Mythic raiding gear drops 445 being a 15 ilvl increase from that, obviously Mythic Plus 10 is far easier than Mythic Raiding in general that goes without a say. But as it stands with me not knowing any better at the moment, wouldn’t it mean that in order to get the best amount of damage/healing/tanking output in general you have to get Mythic Raid gear as it is by nature higher ilvl which is better stats.

Or am i missing a vital part that is going to make Mythic Plus pushing and so on viable as it is now without doing Mythic Raiding?

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it will work normaly

people will stop runing keys above +10 as there will be no point in doing so.

and after aquiring whole possible gear they will only do 1 run per week .

basicly mythic + is dead now.

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Some people run keys way beyond the rewarding level, that wont stop. There will still be groups pushing high. There will be a title for doing +10s on time and a mount for doing +15s. I presume that is to help keep some interest without TF being a thing.

We will get the chance to get corrupted items though.

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oh. i gave a complete answer for shadowlands.

For 8.3, nothing will change.

You’ll get corrupted forge and since mythic+ drops A LOT more gear than mythic raiding, you’ll still have a higher chance of getting better items.

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Elaborate please.

As pure content based i love trying to push higher keys constantly and as it stands right now it’s doable without doing any raiding what so ever (although i love that aswell) but surely they made/will make a system that makes it possible to still only doing M+ while still say be in MDI (although im not ever getting to that point dont get me wrong). Right?

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We dont know how the loot in m+ will be, if it will be capped at hc ilvl loot or not (maybe they’ll add higher ilvl for +15 since TF is removed? :woman_shrugging:t3:). We also dont know what ilvl the weekly chest will have, since now it is a guaranteed forged item. If loot caps at hc raid lvl it will for sure give mythic raiders an advantage in high key pushing…

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I hope they make it like it was back in Legion towards the end, +11-15 keys should give higher loot than just 430, that would solve the problem :=)

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It’s gonna be a lovely situation where dungeoners are going to be better geared for raid and raiders better geared for m+.

High ilvl drops from mythic raid will be needed for pushing high keys.

Farming gear via dungeons will be needed to min/max corrupted gear.

At least az gear will be attainable from both. Could be worse though, think about high end pvpers.

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You are correct about everything, and naturally since mythic raiding is harder than +10 then naturally it should drop better gear.

You could scale M+ such that higher keys drop better gear, but problem would be that if you make +15 drop mythic quality, then everyone would just farm +15 and be gear capped in the first week or 2.

It’s a balance and they probably won’t have a fix and M+ gearing will probably dead for next patch, or at least die quicker than normal, and then they will probably come up with a solution for shadowlands.

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How about they make it so that u get 430 for m10, but if u complete m15( or higher so its on par with mythic raid) u get one piece of mythic raid quality in your weekly? Yea its still rng, but people will still farm them aa everybody will need and want best ilvl, u wont be able to hit ilvl cap in few days, and still m+ is nice source of titanium residuum ( no idea whats hapening with those tho)

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Freehold is about the parrot, I spray cracker scented perfume whenever I enter, but the bird hates me🐥

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Got it after around 100 runs. Had seen it drop twice before, and finally got it on a lousy 11 run on my hunter.

OP I see the removal of TF from M+ as highly detrimental to the health of the M+ scene too.

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I think this sounds pretty reasonable tbh

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I saw it drop multiple times, but never for me its a taunting bird

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Had the same idea suggested here.

Even if they don’t give better loot above m+10 I think I will push keys anyway just to see corrupted people who will kill themselves and rage on healer :smirk::+1:t5:

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Pretty much yeah. The “big bad titan-forges” where a big factor in keeping m+ viable. Sure there are peps who will push higher for score,bragging rights and so on BUT to stay competitive at higher keys mythic gear will be pretty much mandatory. Won’t matter much for those who raid and push high keys on the same character. Unfortunately for those who do m+ only or dual-maining(like in my case(mage is for raiding, rogue is for m+) it will be the end of the line. In my case, back to the old “log in just 3 days a week to raid. Nothing else to do in the meantime…”.

On the bright side. The “RAID OR DIE” crowd is no doubt jumping of joy now. :rofl:

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The weekly chest will probably work as before, giving you a mythic raid ilvl piece. And since titanforging is gone they should maybe give the option so you can upgrade your m+ gear with residuum to those levels.

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So much this

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hopefully they get rid of m+ entirely

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Why? :thinking: /10 chars