What the accurate stance on the titanforging system tho that’s very subjective, some players like it and some don’t. Blizzard is obviously fine with it since its still supporting it in the game and see the reasons for its continued existence.
God no. That would just promote the most popular posters by face value, and from that you could get anything.
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even if it was a “democratic election” she’d still be an MVP tho? because literally everyone likes her.
stop being so vile and let a person enjoy what she reached, out of all people she deserves it the most.
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“…identified MVPs who answer other players’ questions consistently and accurately” doesn’t mean that MVP’s are stating their opinion about titanforging as a fact. That is an opinion, not an accurate answer.
The word “Accurately” in this case means(as far as I know) that if people ask questions that has an actual answer tied to it, not related to opinions, they can get an accurate answer to it, perhaps from a MVP.
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I don’t have anything against her personally but as I said I would prefer the option for more a democratic way of choosing who will be MVP, in that way I would be able to pick someone who would represents my views of the game better and everyone would be able to do the same. And we can’t know who would be elected than , we can just guess , her or someone else who would also be a good candidate for such position.
This is not how Blizzard intended the MVP program to work, the way I understand it, but I can see you’ve understood it completely differently.
This is another quote from the MVP description post;
“they are not chosen for their ability to criticize game mechanics and give feedback. They certainly can do this (and many do). The members of the Community Team are still your vehicles through which you should submit feedback by posting on the forums and in blog comments. We do not have a class/race representative system in place at this time and would prefer to hear all players’ feedback instead of a select few.”
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They can probably put 2 and 2 together. They have game metrics and they have forum metrics. It doesn’t take a genius to parce the two.
Look; in the past if there was a massive outcry about a certain system not being fun or just plain bad, Blizzard always responded in the same way: They changed the system to appease the angry crowd. All those things had varying problems that people complained about and Blizzard acted accordingly; they made changes.
With TF this has not happened. Throughout Legion’s lifespan it didn’t receive a single change. It received some small changes at the start of the new expansion, but that’s nothing special; loads of systems get that treatment.
And this fact means a lot. It means that the number of people disliking it, isn’t anywhere near what people are claiming. It also means that the system, according to game metrics, is working fine.
This alone should tell you enough. If TF really was as problematic as some people on these forums are claiming, Blizzard would have already taken action, because that is what they do when systems or features turn out to be bad or problematic.
Given how low a level most operate on here, a democratic process is just absurd. It would be a popularity contest at best.
And how can you honestly stand saying how tf is hated only be the ‘elite’, how can you honestly stand there and say that, while completely ignoring that the exact opposite is also in place, but somehow that’s ok?
Ie lfr players, people who do world quests, hc dungeons will all praise tf, what makes them right, and people who play at a higher level wrong?
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We’re not really here to champion people’s views. You could always suggest elections/votes method to Blizzard.
And I honestly don’t know firstly how you got off my ignore list, but more I cannot fathom how people still reply to you.
You’ve contributed nothing to the community, nothing but parading TF drops from ‘turn up and scratch yourself’ content, and advocating how it’s good to get the best items possible for the lowest effort possible.
elections are too modern. I demand mak’gora
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Please refrain from personal attacks like this. There is no need for that.
You are allowed your opinion, but please adhere to the forum rules.
I have contributed many well argumented replies as to why TF is a good system and works. If you want to discuss them, I’ll be glad to do just that.
You have? Where are they then? I have yet to see any argument for why Titanforging is good for this game. Actually no, I’ll take that back, I have seen a couple of “arguments” for it, both of which were very quickly debunked. Just a reminder those 2 “arguments” I mentioned are:
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Blizzard’s official reason where guilds are apparently getting stuck on bosses despite having the best gear they can acquire. I’m still for the proof that these guilds exist, because I have yet to encounter them.
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It makes recruiting new raid members easier because everyone is much closer in ilvl. This hasn’t been an issue in the game since TBC, and even then it was more about finding players with the proper attunements than the gear. In this day and age you can gear new raiders up very quickly without Titanforging.
Are there any other reasons why Titanforging is a good system?
not sure about those guilds tbh. but I remember reading an old interview from MoP times, when WF or TF (thunderforge) was originally introduced where they stated that a lot of guilds get stuck on bosses, so thunderforge would pretty much help them to out-gear the encounter.
Yep, that was the original reason for Tunderforging being introduced, which then turned into Titanforging. Here’s a quote from that interview you mentioned:
One of the problems we run into today pretty frequently is looking at players who are working on, say, Tsulong, in Terrace of Endless Spring, who have most likely killed Zor’lok and Ta’yak in Heart of Fear 9 times. You probably have everything you need from those early bosses, and its quite likely that you still kill them and everything is disenchanted, or maybe goes to off-spec or for someone’s transmog. That’s not super-satisfying.
I don’t know about you but I have never encountered a guild who has every piece of gear they can acquire and yet cannot kill a boss with said gear. Do you?
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yep that’s the one exactly.
hahaha not really, I mean… if guild group cant kill a boss with full gear to the point where they’re stuck on it, I think there’s another issue and needs a different fix rather than letting them 1 shot the boss. (hyperbole of course)
Exactly. Not only that but if that was truly the reason for Titanforging, why do Blizzard keep nerfing raid bosses every few weeks? Surely Titanforging means they no longer have to do that. But no, Uldir has been nerfed around 5-6 times since it was released.
To be fair the most recent Mythrax nerf was mostly an issue with a small raid, the guild I am part of is rading Uldir HC with 10-12 people simply because 60% of the raiders unsubbed after ghuun was dead cause there is nothing of value left to do.
The Visions heavily prioritized ranged classes and with such a small raid and we had maybe 6 ranged classes tops which lead to 4-5 visions nuking the crap out of one person randomly and all the healers could do is dispell it and hope they do not all pick the same target again, because outhealing it was straight up not doable if enough visions went for the same target, When i spam everything I do about 35k hps and they still just melt while I heal.
No amount of forging would help that.
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You are avoiding the point though. You said “They will not change their minds because they have actual data and will know the truth.” What data do they have that shows “the truth”? What game data could, even possibly, show how you or I feel about TF?
Now you say they have “game metrics” - what could they possibly be?
and “forum metrics” - well, if you mean that they can read the forums, we are in agreement. If not, what else could you mean?
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To be fair, there have been several times in the years I’ve played when the buzz was that guilds were “breaking” on a boss in a raid.
Googling “guilds stuck on 7/10” brought back more results than I expected, and on more bosses than I remembered, for example:
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2174481-Over-2000-guilds-stuck-at-3-10-mythic-was-tuning-7-bosses-to-54-traits-a-mistake
So while it may not be entirely accurate to say that guilds had got EVERY piece of gear they could, and were still stuck, it has been a thing more than once.
Let’s face it, not everybody is able to clear all content staight up the way the people in Method and Exorsus can; everybody else needs help, and soft-nerfs of raid bosses by making more gear available seems as sensible as anything else, and a lot more sensible than directly nerfing bosses.
So, while I think that specific anecdote may not represent the whole story, there could well be a lot of truth to the general idea.
My problem is not with tweaking the conveyor belt we’re all on to ensure that everybody keeps getting more powerful as long as they don’t actually get off the treadmill. My problem is that TF is a gawdawful way to do it, that undermines the feeling of accomplishment. If they allowed people to earn upgrades for their gear in a proportionate way, we’d all be much happier.
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