You can see so many rules being broken on a daily basis that never get enforced because they never hit some arbitrary requirement of number of reports for stuff like spam or anything chat involved. But then you also see a ton of bots always leveling, even making it to 60 from grinding on mobs alone.
Then there’s some WoW rules I’m pretty sure never get enforced like https://eu.battle.net/support/en/article/13150 when I’m trying to quest there’s always higher levels not on quests farming lower level elementals. The worst spots are all the rock elementals in badlands and the water elementals on the Haunted Isle on Stranglethorn. Trying to do either series of quests on alts is basically an impossibility or extremely drawn out if you sit in one spot and wait for a respawn to hopefully tag right next to you.
Not to mention the people farming there are almost always the same people from previous days, which I do suspect a lot of these to be RMT related because you can come back months later and find the same names doing the same thing. Just not sure what the point of having the rules are if they never enforce them in the first place. Things that were widely enforced in real vanilla but not classic is one of my biggest complaints and what I see as failures for the release.
Look at cross-faction collusion and what happened with ‘mafia’ gaining control of certain areas for ages. All the sketchy stuff going on with lotus farms, even. People griefing their own faction by having alts on the other faction on another account.
These players are not farming the elementals with the intent to “disrupt your gameplay”. They are farming them because they need the materials these mobs happen to drop.
This is completely legitimate gameplay, and not against any rules.
I have completed the haunted-isle quest on 4 characters since Naxxramas was released, and never had any problems doing so. If there is a highlevel character farming, whisper them, explain that you need the quest. There is a good chance they will invite you, set loot to free4all, do their farm, and you can collect your questdrops.
Intent would be decided by a Blizzard GM, if you see a lower level farming in that area and you’re tagging all the mobs you can (Which you will see basically anyone farming there trying to tag as many mobs as possible at once) Then you can decide the intent there is indeed just that. Not to mention, that rule doesn’t specifically state intent is required either way.
So you’re saying that griefing, disruption, RP disruption, vulgar/inappropriate comments, spam, botting are all OK by Blizzard? I can see you’re one of the people doing such things. Have a nice one.
The reason lvl 60’s are in Badlands killing mobs isn’t to prevent you from questing but because Blizzard in their infinite wisdom deemed those mobs should be one of the best sources for materials for Greater Nature Protection Potions.
But sure, go report them all for griefing for wanting consumables to use in raids, seems fair.
Or, you could ask them to group up with you so you get kill credit while in return you give them any Elemental Earth you loot.
That way you both get what you’re there for.
Alas, they could also stop farming the mobs when lowibes are there or let lowbies tag some mobs and not run to tag 5-10 mobs at once. Or, they can farm level appropriate mobs for it… or non-quest mobs, all kinds of solutions that don’t break any rules. Neat innit? I also specifically stated how many of those people are there day in day out and how few are actually there farming for their own mats. :3
Also asking them to group is usually met with broken English and failing to understand me or outright refusal.
You did, because you stated if Blizzard isn’t doing ‘anything’ about it, then they ‘allow’ it. Despite the rules stating otherwise, and blue posts saying otherwise. Failure to regularly enforce rules doesn’t quite = it’s allowed, much like MODDING the game isn’t allowed even if it’s for changing your race appearance as many people do for classic. Morph mods, etc.
Blizzard even has a poor track record against RMT, piloting, account sharing and more you would say those are against the rules yes? Explicit RP profiles too, is a hotly debated one on RP servers.
I was merely pointing out that you were using a terrible straw man argument.
Sorzza correctly informed you that the in-game rules you say are being broken are not being broken due to concept of intent, because farming mats from elementals is not the same as intent to cause disruption. He didn’t tell you anything that was not true.
You then accused him of being OK with griefing, disruption etc. and even of doing it himself.
Therefore you used a classic straw man fallacy. I’m going to do you the courtesy of assuming you know what a straw man fallacy is. If not I suggest Googling it.
Actually you were trying to make a ‘gotcha’ moment because you didn’t really have an argument.
False, he didn’t ‘correctly’ inform me of anything because those rules don’t state intent is required from the individual or At all. Farming mats doesn’t do anything, farming mats from quest mobs that are required and have very limited spots and you’re outright tagging all the available mobs and not letting people doing quests get tags is.
I stated he was OK with all manner of things that are not highly enforced, because that’s what he stated. He stated ‘well since you say nothing is being done it’s not against the rules’. Which, again, would by your own words by a ‘strawman argument’ but you didn’t go after him. So, that shows your own bias.
If you’re unfamiliar with the game rules, or all blue posts on the matter. I suggest googling and looking through support articles.
As a matter of fact, they do.
Quoting from the link you so kindly provided in your opening Post:
https://eu.battle.net/support/en/article/13150
Someone is intentionally disrupting the gameplay on the zone
INTENTIONALLY
That means: With intent to do so.
If I farm every single water elemental that spawns, I am doing so with the intent of getting elemental water for frost protection potions. I am not doing it to annoy someone.
Considering the above, this seems like good really advice.
:3 Because you totally know WHY they’re there, right?
And why should they kill ‘level-appropiate’ mobs when killing low lvl mobs for the SAME mats is so much easier? That makes no sense.
Tbh I’m starting to see why they’d refuse to group up with you.
And isn’t it neat how killing mobs isn’t actually against any rules? :3 :3 :3
That’s ONE criteria. Please read more than the first line. Thanks, though! :3
Second line: Another group keep killing all the mobs on the area so I cannot complete my quest
Also note in the last one. A player outside our raid is intentionally dying to Lord Kazzak (Classic)
See they do mention intentional in the Direct line, first line is more to catch-all for any other disruption. Selectively choosing which lines of the rule to follow does not make for a good argument. But hey, you’re not very good with arguments. Hence your first one of ‘well if it Was against the rules they wouldn’t be doing it, hehe! Because Blizzard surely bans all that break their rules consistently.’
As long as that groups intent is not to prevent you from doing your quest, they are not breaking any rule.
These rules do not exist to punish people for doing something that other people don’t want them to do at this time. If they were, PvP wouldn’t exist in this game.
Killing mobs to farm mats for consumables is not against the rules.
If you wanna be that crazy nit-picking about the rules your name is a violation of the RP-realm naming rules.
So, y’know, maybe calm down a bit.
Second line: Another group keep killing all the mobs on the area so I cannot complete my quest
PvP rules are quite different, if you read the rules in regards to that. If you’re on a PvP server, the same rule still applies in regards to faction killing the same mob over and over if they don’t need the quest and not letting anyone else kill the mobs. I’d ask you to stop responding to this thread and trying to take it off topic simply because you refuse to read the game articles on rules fully. :3
It is, if you’re not letting anyone else get tags or complete their quest.
It is, which is yet another game rule that doesn’t ever really get enforced. Though, yours would be against it as well due to Warhammer. Have a nice day!
RP server rules not being abided if you want to actually read more about RP server rules and how they’re not being enforced either.