So once a new season start, you can’t really utilize it because you don’t get older items anymore that easily.
Truly a smart design choice
You do realize I never said anyone was hostile right? I was being called hostile 
Holy damn, people in this thread amazes me
The catalyst still works in Shadowlands as well. But you do have to get the right items to put in it, as Dawnsteel explained above your reply 
OP is being lazy, but gets mad for being called lazy 
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I’m not sure why the suggestion would result in transmog collecters only needing to run the raids once or twice. The item(s) would still need to DROP; he’s just advocating in removing an additional layer of RNG that’s tied to the loot system, in the context of something as miscellaneous as transmog. For instance, if he’s the only leather wearer in the raid group, then this feature wouldn’t make a difference. It would still incentivize more or less the same factors that collectors would need to take into account TODAY which is the number of eligible players present for the item drops and/or the number of alts to repeat run the raid.
And please, stop forcing this association with collectors and transmog farming. Not every person farming a transmog is suddenly a die-hard collector. If a majority of transmog farmers are (which I highly doubt), then please do share with me your evidence for that! 
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I’m nowhere near mad, sad thats your only input to the discussion.
What however does annoy me, is the general tendency to join a conversation only to have a dig at someone for no apparant reason other than the fact that you don’t agree with them.
If your only take for someone you don’t agree with, is calling them things and trying to put them down, I do feel sorry for ya.
I could be farming Daily for 10 hours, and without you knowing me, you conclude that I am lazy for questioning a design that just feels like is in place to drag things out (as others have also pointed out). But hey, Nice contribution to the discussion lad! 
Thank you! I don’t understand why it’s being twisted as “Oh you just want everything handed the second you step in!!” no… I just advocate to save people time from having to wait 2+ years to come back to old content and farm stuff or having to make alts to “Need” stuff even tho they only need for tmog, making it a risk to take it from less geared people that could actually use the gear upgrade it self, and people to enjoy different tmog when they are relevant… Again, also threw in the idea of bosses dropping tokens, so you could remove the additional RNG layer
I could have collected the full set in a couple of runs of each difficulty. The stuff drops, we just don’t win it.
I didn’t force any association, you are presuming :). I was very specific in saying some. As I always do. Because in all the years I’ve been playing this game, the player base can rarely ever agree on something. Even if they want the same things they all have different ways of wanting that.
My point was that it would trivialise collecting, there will always be people who will want everything quickly for the least effort, that’s human nature. I never judged that, I merely gave my opinion.
But isn’t the current system trivializing the experience all together? If geared people, jump in LFR on alts, so they can roll “Need” on gear they won’t actually use, but want on their main for tmog reasons, making it harder for less experienced / geared players to advance? Some people don’t want to or can’t go beyond LFR
My alts use the gear they need on. That’s how they gear.
I think the current loot system is awful. That’s a whole different story. It’s a side effect of GL vs PL.
No, the transmog I NEED does not just “drop”. It’s RNG. I don’t need external anecdotes to validate/invalidate my personal experience of farming the stuff I need. You got stuff to drop? Good for you.
Again, your point is that it would hurt collectors but you made no counter argument of it benefitting those who simply want to farm a transmog and be done with it. I am sorry but are you not old enough to understand that you can derive association “implicity” by the sentiments/information you intentionally choose to omit? It’s not just what you write on posts, it’s also what you choose NOT to write.
I’m not really concerned with the judgment you have because frankly I could care less. I just think you need to actually provide some evidnece if you can come up with posts saying that “x people will dislike this”. Survey please?
Yours might, but I am sure (From forums as well), that some people just make alts for tmog and don’t really care for their 2nd or 3rd Paladin…
I just don’t see how gambling and spending more time killing the same LFR boss when you are at HC or mythic raiding level, and or being forced to wait years to farm it solo, because you don’t have time to lvl and farm tmog on alts more “fulfilling” as a collector… There is no skill in rolling for gear or one-shotting old raid bosses… I don’t look at someones tmog and go “Oh wauw he won the roll in LFR!!” I usually just go “Damn, thats a cool piece!”
By removing the additional layer, you’re literally just removing the the inevitable… The fact that people can solo the content in a few years anyway, and making it so people can just enjoy the tmog when its relevant… imo…
You seem to have a lot to say for someone who doesn’t care. 
There really is no need to try and twist what I actually said or try to put your spin on it. What I said was quite straight forward 
We just have different opinions and that’s fine.
I honestly just think a vendor would be a better solution than making running the raid a give everyone everything that drops just for attending.
No one looks at someone else and says anything as daft as
Nor has anyone in this discussion implied that. Quite the opposite. GL is a frustrating system for both those that want to collect or need gear. Which is why I mentioned that I got my whole LFR set from the Vault and Catalyst this time. Even with my army of 7 Paladins (one is my main, this one). I do have a couple more but I there is only so many times I want to run LFR.
You feel it should always be like when you run a raid/instance that’s gone into Legacy mode. This doesn’t generally happen until we are 11 levels higher than the content. Sometimes Blizzard makes exceptions towards the end of expansions.
Yes. As I don’t see any arguments not to do it… You’re saying it yourself, the Catalyst is an option… So one could just lvl an alt which in these days takes no time, and catalyst the way to getting the entire set anyways… So how does that give more fullfilment than actually doing the content and getting the gear as bosses are being killed?
People have explained their points/arguments just like you have. They are all there, arguments for and against, plus all the alternative proposals too
In my case, I think your proposal is too extreme and gives too much. That it trivialises collecting.
Would free up time to collect other things though that arent transmog, and you wouldnt have to run 8 paladins through LFR weeks on end. That would be positive i guess? But vendor sounds good aswell. That way you know u’ll get it at some point while its still current and dont have to wait 2 years to be able to solo it (or longer). Cause there will most likely always be some freshly dinged char in lfr that will need the items and winning them over the transmog rolls.
Would hardly call them arguments. Just people shooting things down or claiming things without backing it up.
But I guess I just leave it be here, can’t go full circle anymore than this
Under PL it was reasonable to collect the set. Under GL I had to resort to the catalyst and vault.
Just to be clear I can’t roll NEED on transmog items on my main. The alts can roll need because it’s an actual upgrade for them. I’m not suggesting anyone should have to have an army of alts. My alts have a use, they do my professions. I just don’t care for other classes so they are all Paladins.
If collecting is trivialised to the extent that was proposed, it will cease to be something you do in down time. You’ll get everything so fast it’s insta done. Which was why I said it might as well be on a vendor. If things went that route, I personally don’t feel that should be possible until the tier is over, like PvP has.
I can appreciate that some people just want everything instantly, but I’m just not keen on the idea. I can accept that they want minimum effort, maximum gain but anyone who opposes that seems to be being dismissed or worse.
Nothing wrong with either view or any of the ones in between.
It’s not for no reason. At least in my opinion, Transmog hunting and creating characters are a part of the game and its rewards. It should be treated as a reward to win a cool appearance in the game.
You saying cosmetics aren’t tied to any real effort isn’t true either. It takes a raid, Guilds etc to get these appearances and items. It’s not like you can just run in the raid and one shot and loot like with old raids. You had to actually raid and win the loot and appearances to earn that transmog.
At least to me, Gaining transmogs and apperances are just as much a reason to try out raiding and do endgame content. As much as progressing my character and item level is. And i think just giving out Welfare transmogs as a token for being there ruins allot of purpose and reason to actually play the game.
If we did what you want at least to me, The game would become more boring… Another goal and reason to play nullified.
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Yeah i do think alot of the issue is tied to the current loot system. It just seems impossible to win those transmog items if you do lfr once a week on one character. So maybe something in between. Like clearing the raid would give you one token u could use to buy one transmog or somthing. Not the actual item but the look to add to your wardrobe. With time u’ll get it all in the vault probably, but that can take whole season if unlucky.
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