You understand that with OPs suggestion, one still expects players to still kill the bosses ? Like where is this “vendor” suggestion even coming from?
Heramaar made a similar suggestion about a token for mogs.
Well, I see your point. But I think I might have worded myself wrong or at least not been clear, which I apologize for, I think my head was stuck on LFR / Old content when I said it wasn’t tied to any effort.
My point was more the fact, that you que up to LFR and you can (if you really want to), do zero to nothing, even die, and if people kick you, you can que up again… But eventually you will most likely get the boss down. So I dont see any effort tied behind that tmog… I see time gating for the sake of time gating/dragging out content.
I would as I mentioned much rather share the appearence with people that was in the raid and have the people that need the gear upgrade actually get them, rather than someone whos in there on his 3rd priest farming tmog and he never plays that priest other than that… For me then it becomes more of a chore than actually enjoying the game… And I might be alone here, some people might think its super fun running LFR on the same class multiple times a week, but when the reward is tied behind RNG rather than actual achievement I just get bored of it
Well not from me… As I understood it OP said
So essentially he wants to win the transmogs as a token for being there not actually winning the transmog. Wellfare transmog for participating essentially as I see it.
That at least to me takes out allot of the reward out from earning a transmog in a raid.
I’m literally saying in that quote what you’re saying I’m not saying? 
Okay, I see. Then please OP clarify: Is this the case? Because then I don’t support this peculiar aspect. You should kill the boss, not receive it from a vendor.
What? You said for me it makes no sense to not give everyone the appearance regardless of who wins the roll. They are cosmetics anyway and not tied to any real effort’’
I mean that to me sounds like you want to win the transmog even if you didn’t win the roll. Pretty clear cut… You want a Welfare win for being there when the boss died. But didn’t win the roll.
This to me just takes transmog hunting out of the game completely. If we did that you’d only need to do any raid and have the transmog drop once to get it. And you’d be done forever.
At least to me that makes the reward feeling of finally getting cool transmogs allot less rewarding if its gonna be this casual and trivial to get it…
Might as well just give orgrimmar and stormwind a public wardrobe next to the barber everyone can just change all transmogs in.
No, I’m not saying people should get stuff just handed at the end of a run…
I’m saying if the group kills the boss, and the priest shoulders drop, the item is still rolled as usual, but everyone gets the appearence… So theres still a risk of running an entire run without getting the appearence. It just eliminates another layer of RNG…
The vendor thing was another idea, that bosses dropped X amount of tokens so you could work/farm your way towards appearences (not gear!) rather than sitting in an RNG loop
This is literally what I thought initially. Okay, I didn’t that part about the vendor. In that case, it could be a possible alternative, why not. Apologies.
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The vendor idea came from others saying u might aswell just put it at a vendor if you dont have to win the roll to get the transmog. OP’s idea was that after a boss died and an item dropped, even if u didnt win the roll you would still collect the transmog in your wardrobe. To avoid having to farm LFR potentially all season long and always loose on the transmog roll cause someone else always needs it for item upgrade instead.
But that is the case in legacy mode? Why does it feel less rewarding that you get tmog when its actually relevant rather than doing exactly the same thing as I say when tmog is no longer relevant and years old?
Personally I don’t feel any accomplishment farming LFR if I was able to do higher tiers… That would most likely just Force me to make an alt and add another “chore” on a to-do list
EDIT: Your argument “you would only do it until you get the tmog and then you would be done with it” implies everyone is running LFR for tmog… The ones that are running for tmog will of course leave as soon as they get it? Now they’re just forced to potentially do it for weeks… People that need the gear will still do it?
I hate legacy mode just as much as the next guy… Been farming Castle nathria for weeks now and its getting annoying But this is old content. To us right now this is casual content soloable unless you want the mythic mogs for the most.
But when it comes to current raid tier in our current patch I think its a good thing transmogs and cool appearances makes us want to raid.
If you only had to do it once or twice until your transmog dropped at least to me. It makes getting new transmog and appearances feel allot more casual and trivial.
It’s like going to the store to just buy that new jacket. You pay in raid participation.
You didn’t win the loot and earn it like the other guy who actually won the item did.
It takes the magic away xD And gives me less incentive and inspiration to want to raid.
Transmogs are also a huge part of the inspiration and incentive to end game players in general too… Taking that reward away from us just to satesfy someones wardrobe?
It makes the game less of a game. Takes away another reason to actually want to play it.
Lets say we did it the way you wanted it. Should future raid leaders be worried about transmog hunters joining the raid team only to leave later when they get their Wellfare mog?
We can’t have it like that… What your asking for is bordering close too ‘‘Please just give us a wardrobe in the capitals that lets me change into everything i want’’ For participating in the game
I would like to emphasize my first reply to you and later comments, I apologized for not being clear enough and specified to LFR.
And not really no, because what you’re arguing is close to saying “We have no content so we Force players to farm raids for tmog”…
I can’t really follow your logic… If in my case raid leaders are afraid people only wanting mogs will leave after they get it, why do the same people stay in the entire raid in your scenario? If they are only there for the tmog surely they would then just leave if they dont get it too? Isnt it a bit unfair arguing in two different patterns of behavior?
That has always been the content my dude… Getting epic gear and the cool sets. Every since classic its been about getting those cool weapons and transmogs and that sweet gear. Thats always been WoWs content and ‘‘Endless content’’ and our carrot on our stick.
Should it be better? Should we have better and more other stuff to do outside m+ and raiding? Of course we should.
But making transmog hunting into a trivial thing is not something i’ll support. I think if you really make that casual and easy or simple. You will kill allot of incentive and inspiration for people in the long run.
People wanna play wow. Logging onto an mmo with nothing but your 8/8 mythics to do is just sad. Letting wow having more endgame goals and reasons to play is not a bad thing. And not everything should be made an easy convenience
I’m sorry but this issue keeps boiling down to one group of people claiming that the wardrobe will be maxxed out within 1-2 clears of the raid versus the other group who believe that it will still depend on you RNG, albeit to a lesser extent.
It will ultimately make transmog hunting more trivial and easier. If thats what the people want then I wont oppose it anymore…
But it would take allot of magic out of the endgame in wow… After this then you’d truly only raid and do endgame to min max and push numbers.
The transmogs are just a one time attend thing anyway.
But how is forcing mythic raiders to farm LFR a “Carrot on a stick”? I think you’re comparing two timelines that can’t really be compared…
Yes before having epics and sweet weapons were nice, because there was no tmog… Getting the item itself was what made it cool…
I personally (and I could be alone here, which is fair) dont see it taking anything away from a player that they did mythic raiding and have the tmog of a sword (but not the item itself) because a guildie that had better use for the item itself got it. They both cleared the content. And if they were only there for the tmog they wouldn’t stay or participate in future raids anyways… Some people want to progress their character not the wardrobe. And that part is becoming trivial specially in the lower raiding tiers with the current system
Its just… where does it end? We have you here today… This gets granted right?
Like even if your point about Mythic raiders forced to do LFR for their transmog is stupid point is true. (Even though thats still content and a reason for those players to play)
Where does it end? Blizzard makes this come true today. And tomorrow people will ask for free transmogs ‘‘Why do i even have to be there anyway? I’ll just get it if im there anyway. Why not just make it free for everyone?’’ Will be the tomorrows thread xD
I get that you want to seperate LFR mogs from the Normal-mythic ones to make your point. But its a risky premise to play with this is.
I like the suggestion where you can roll for transmog and get that particular appearance but not the gear. I think something like that might help somewhat with the friction between players for whom LFR gear is an actual upgrade and people who would like the mog but don’t need the item itself.