On a more serious note, one button rotation only got me to 2k rating. To climb higher i actually had to learn to press buttons. That’s not so nice, maybe they could improve one button a little for ret?
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Ok well now where is the retri nerfs? We either nerf everything or nothing. We dont nerf 1 of them and leave rest be op if the game is competition. Also for the record mage was at no point as strong as retri nor anyone new to game could go backpedal 2.4 as mage, only as retri. For mage you actually need to know how to play.
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You can’t just nerf ret it needs a redesign even if it did 20% less damage it wouldn’t matter because the way its defensives work it always wins in dampening.
Mage wasn’t just strong it was standing 40 yards away impossible to catch if you know how to use the mobility and then bursting people during dampening and there is no way to survive it.
Legend has it one guy made it 2.1 without onebutton by using 65% of their spellbook 
I know they never put bop or sac on their hotbars 
Dude you can defend mage nerfs all you want, point still is that you need to know how to play mage, and mage was not as op as retri is. Otherwise everyone would play mage instead of entire eu playing retri if you look the ladders. Retri you dont need to know how to play and anyone go 2.4 on it cause its overtuned and its still not nerfed btw, all else got nerfed but not retri. That is the point and only thing that matters.
That’s the miracle of herald with 4 set, you just randomly delete people. I live for these little “oh, what just happened, where his health bar go?” moments.
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For bonus funzies, can anyone justify me demo nerf on off season, why demo gained 2x nerf on the off season when retri even gained buff to season 3 instead of get any nerfs. Please justify me that somehow. I would really like to hear the reasoning for this! I’m waiting eagerly. Could it be tuning bias? For obvious reason people are tilt of retri not getting nerfs it deserves, especially if their specs were nerfed and some even without reason.
I am not pro player i started playing wow in dragonflight and started playing arena last season and there are still many abilities from other classes that I don’t know because the game is not easy, anyone who has been playing for 25 years is obviously going to be better than me and anyone else, but even with the aug evoker that doesn´t mean mage is S tier and yes i know how Mage works and is not at same level as meta classes that is obvious to anyone who isn´t a mage hater and believes their own lies because the numbers are there
Well you need to know how to play mage to do anything on it, unlike retri they can just faceroll. Thats the difference. Same for Sp and any lock spec, new player cant just hop on mage, sp, lock and do super good on it, they actually get stomped hard by all melee and dont know how to juke or track precog or anything really. Any 3 weeks new to wow hops on retri however and they go brrrrrr till hit 2.1. And then everything else gets nerfed but the retri, thats the tuning bias part. Now we are here on this thread discussing of the obvious tuning bias.
I’m a holy warrior, winning is part of my class fantasy. Harry potter over there needs to learn his place.
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Retri is ranged holy wizard after its rework, its as much harry potter as the mightly wizards of misty mountains 
ima call frodo and sam so i can go ask sauron to nerf gandalf
Good we still have saruman, all I need is my lock get buff it deserve and retri get the nerf it deserves.
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Unholy doesn’t need to cast his burst, Unholy doesn’t need to manage fake casting, and unholy minions all have baked in jump on the enemy. For demo, you can line Tyrant, Doomguard, wild imps. You can fear all demo minions. You can’t with UDK. Demo minions doesn’t have any anti CC benefit like UDK or Beast mastery.
I do agree that demo damage can be scary if no one sits on demo, but let’s be real. All warlocks right now is the main target unless Feral is present there.
Give Demo pets increased speed or Immunity to stuns, then I would agree on that. On Solo Shuffle I had to face few demo warlocks, and it was very easy to ruin buildup of demons, or neglect the damage. With UDK, it doesn’t work - Abom instant, apocalypse instant, magi of the dead instant.
Abom even spreads the same diseases as UDK thus procing all possible effects. Demo demons doesn’t do that.
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I have seen terrible mages winning all xpac as frost by spamming orb blizzard and jumping around spamming ice lance mage skill floor is not what it used to be with how damage was changed to be spammable instead of working around set damage cds they added ways to reduce the cd of orb with blizzard.
yeah i guess i need 25 more years experience to play mage 
I play arcane and warlocks and heal, try setup surge on arcane and compare it to retri gameplay. Oh btw all else was nerfed except retri.
Go play a Meele then if you don’t want to cast you can cast vilefiend behind the pillar no warlocks are trained because they will end the game if they are not shut down because they have spammable cc and a low cd stun as demo while doing all of this damage with pets from 40 yards away which means you don’t have to run into the cleave that all classes are currently doing.
Unholy is definitely A tier now but it plays nothing like demo other than the fact it has pets and the pets are actually easier to cc with unholy because you don’t have to aim aoe roots or stuns away from the dk as it’s all stacked up together unlike warlock porting behind a pillar and doing damage from 40 yards away.
To compare the 2 unholy dk pet stun is a 45 second cd 2 second stun vs a demos 3 second stun with a kick baked into it.
Setup surge? You just cast it man or fake arcane missiles or a polymorph to get precog……
orb don´t give you ice lance every 3 second like in df and you need to cast frostfirebolt to get flurry proc