that´s not true at all maybe frost live more if there is no hunters but fire and arcane die to fast with one block
I play Demo, Destro, MM and Feral doesn’t live long enough, Mages if they are experienced live way longer.
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not arcane and fire even if they have experience maybe if they playing with rank 1 healers vs noob healers and if there is a priest or war mage are playing without defensives with cloth armor…
mage dies faster than feral, okay i just read the most fried take of my life, judging by your main mage Saddie Dun Modr , idk why hide behind lvl 10 char, like mage has alter time, ice block, sheild that can mitigate damage , mobility , cc, insane damage and youre telling me feral does 3x more dps than arcane , are you high? and mage dies faster than feral.
im actually glad sometimes that blizzard dosent take forums seriously anymore because of people like you. Mage is god tier caster atm , you want to play hard caster in solo roll a destro warlock then.
feral does undertooned damage , imagine if you had dk and demo and you spamed blizzard and frost orb into them , your damage would be 3x bigger too.
besides feral has the worst survivability in all of the melees and utility is nuked into oblivion if you want to cast a clone and get kicked it kills your mommentum and puts you behind instantly , feral feels like blood dk in m+ when your hp jumps back and forth and healer has to have PTSD keeping you up and use all def cds on you just to keep you alive , meanwhile as mage you can spell steal hots and bleassing of protection, freedom from paladins ,alter time from other mages, what else do you need MS and Lay on hands for your mage?
alter time and sheild that mitigate stupid damage because was so nerfed orb and blizzard are the worst mage spells wtf and 3 mage specs are crap now just check the meta arcane is falling fast and frost and fire are at the bottom… im not said feral has the worst surv mele but yes then fire and arcane mage with one dispelleable block and trash defensives i just join here one month ago with this 10 lv char i don´t even know how to change and i don´t even care, I don’t know why I bother to reply to you, you are just one more mage hater who keeps saying mage is tier S when the numbers are there.
you need to play pvp talent for it " [Overpowered Barrier]" you dont press it to have it up , you press it when you see big burst incoming and that alone can prevent so much damage , but if you are bad with using your cooldowns thats not everyones problem, Alter time is used to get back charge of shimmer and again same usage as overpowered barrier , l2p
no they arent , fire is under the radar atm what are you smoking?
and arcane is going to be just fine just less 1 shots.
because youre clueless and people that always end up " why i bother reply to you or il just ignore you" are the people that are ignorant and cant come up with good arguements so how about you learn how your class works then argue its bad, meanwhile its the best caster in the game next to MM hunter
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i already play that talent and after first time protect less like alter time, fire is garbage and mm hunter is not caster :V you think we are in classic and don´t even know how mage work
i know how to play mage and almost every class is inmune to mage control nowdays is the only class who every cc break with damage
No I’m not. Mage was nerfed 5 times, lock 2 times, mm 0 times and retri got joke nerf that did nothing. Read the post that you reply before reply some nonsense.
The point is painfully obvious but seemingly you and the rest defending retris keep missing it, well I’ve said all that needs to be said.
Topic is tuning bias, everything else is being nerfed except retri or mm. Thats obvious fact for anyone with half a brain.
Ret palas are deleting ferals even if they are sitting in bear form. when i play ret, every time i have a feral in the lobby i get at least 4 wins, 6 if i can convince the feral to just run and let me one shot someone chasing him.
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Ret is tuned to a state where anyone with no exp on the class can hop in shuffle and get 2.4 by pressing random buttons. That alone is disturbing they let the spec stay like this, its like bm if it gained 3x more dmg and all the utility and immunities pala has and then somebody just strats the class with half spellbook on hotbars and goes do random things in SS but goes 4-2 or more anyway each game till they are like 2.1-2.4 depending luck. Thats retri.
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And mages can tank 5 more nerfs, come one no one gives a damn about the class that was on peak for 2 decades. If Mages was bad for the entire xpac, like really bad, like BFA affliction level bad, then people could give a damn about them, but not now.
still absorbs alot idk why you complain. you still got mobility and block on top of that and your invis is 40% damage reduction , mirror image is another 20% , bet you diddnt know that
no it isnt but il listen to random max 2100 mage 
i do cause i dont main a mage and i almost achieved same rating as your main char 
You still keep missing the point but keep on defending retri by all means thats really well done.
Point still being that everything else was nerfed but retri or mm. Its even on the topic “tuning bias” its not rly so hard to understand.
Anyone with half a brain can see that retri is broken if any new player can go 2.4 on it with no exp. Look ladders whats highest and most played in every bracket, now could it by any chance be retri, no way it is retri! Omg public information I could just go look anytime myself how did I not think of it!
Your argument falls apart when you take the SAME PUBLIC INFORMATION and apply it to outlaw. THE LEAST PLAYED MELEE, but still managed to win Gamescom.
But sure, only take the stats you want to further push your agenda.
Retri looks to be the highest and most played across all brackets. Obviously overtuned, everything else nerfed so far except retri. Obvious tuning bias, really hard concept to understand here but I managed. I tried really hard and eventually I understood that retri has been op for 6 seasons long, I realised there has to be tuning bias. Everything else is beside the point.
Unholy dk can’t port around a pillar once it’s done bursting and takes the same amount of damage as a warlock it’s also one of the only Meele that can be effects by disarm and silence the dk needs to go in to do damage while warlock doesent.
BM hunter yes it’s broken when it does enough damage that it does not have to land a trap to win but it’s nowhere near as Tanky as warlock and can’t use defensives while stunned.
They are not comparable because they don’t have warlocks toolkit.
I for one appreciate that they are delaying ret nerfs, because i deserve to reach elite this season with my 3 weeks of ret experience!
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Hahaha yes, youre the first that gets it. I think thats the mentality of each who defend it aswell 
Obviously there should be class that anyone with 3 weeks exp on it can press S to elites in soloqs youre absolute right!
I agree ret needs nerfs but so does mage and the nerfs were justified because it was in a better position than ret if you could play mage.
You don’t know much tbh you was asking the other day what touch of death is and if it’s cheating the game can’t be balanced around newer players because your just not good enough to get the most out of mage I have played it for years and had a lot of success on it and even the top mages are 10x better than me.
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