Seeing a MAGE try to lecture other ranged classes on how to/what they should be able to kite is absolutely LAUGHABLE. Lil bro, your class has 4x the tools other ranged classes has to kite.
Yes, it’s a team game. Yes, your team mate should help peel for you if you’re getting trained by 2 melees. But that doesn’t change that it’s an absolutely enourmous privilege mages have, that they can actually fend for themself and don’t have to rely on the mercy of their team mates to peel. Not everyone playing this game is playing premade 3s at 2900. If you’re just a normal or above average player don’t get peel, because their team mates suck. And yes, they probably suck too for different reasons. But the difference is that no peel for any other caster than mage (and ele probably, idk) is entirely gamebreaking.
Because your experience of what is good and bad is from personal experience and it’s biased while making a new post about it multiple times a day none of the lock specs are bad right now and that’s after the nerfs without it they would be in an even better spot it just has a higher skill floor than most Meele.
My point was painfully obvious for anyone with common sense that the two nerf on demo was nonsensical if they put no nerf on retri but instead buffed retri instead. Anyone with half a brain understands why that made no sense, anyone who claims otherwise I have no interest hear their opinions.
Demo was not op, retri is op, demo gets 2x nerf on off season, retri gains buff while being op for 6 seasons. Dont really know what escapes someones understanding in that but I won’t lose sleep over it.
Also anyone defending the tuning bias or retris broken state currently should take quick glance in public statistics of brackets across modes and think really hard what they are lining to defend here.
Again I play all classes and have said the mage nerfs are a good thing since I have played all the classes I also know what is possible to kite and what is not and if you can’t kite a single Meele on demo lock you are doing something wrong I have seen warlocks at 2.2mmr not putting their port los even so they just get charged onto instant or using stuns coils without a plan to bait mobility out of it.
I have not played 3s since s3 shadowlands I play the game 1-2 times a week at the minute probably less when I don’t have as much time on my hands and it’s mostly shuffle you see what you did there btw? You blamed your teammates for sucking yet if you was better you wouldn’t be playing with people that suck no top warlock gets stuck at lower rating and blames their teammates.
So please scroll up and see what was actually written lil man.
So again you use a whatism approach ret is broken and needs nerfs yes we all agree on that but so did lock and mage did it ever occur to you that nobody wants to play a pet simulator spec or run around as a wizard compared to a warrior or a crusader??? They will always be higher representation even when demo is broken.
Demo is just badly designed spec, pet spec is not bad for the game. Because pet spec is worst version of DoT spec, but unlike DoTs you can fear and root minions. You can LoS them, or even kill then and use them to gain resources, which is not many people does due the lack of gray matter in their skulls.
People think that Pupeteer specs is bad because demons do all job for you, then why we don’t say the same about DoT specs - Demo cast Hand of Gul’dan to summon imps that on their own do little damage, and SP cast Vampiric touch that deals moderate amount of Damage. In both cases some source of damage deals it for you. Demo need to cast - a lot, and time Tyrant to deal decent damage. Ret, DH, Surv, War just push a burst button and gain +x amount of damage. Demo works for its result, it is not an Apocalypse that just press it and summon 4-6 minions that will deal great damage for you, it is not a simple as press outbreak and spread 1-3 diseases to all enemies nearby.
Yet somehow Demo is toxic… sure, Mages are not toxic, Rets are not toxic, Warriors are not toxic.
I refrained from making statement about you, i think it is too obvious and too childing to make a statement that someone doesn’t wanna improve, but I will leave it on your conscience, assuming you have one.
I also think unholy is bad game design and should be 1 pet yes it is a lot worse than dots because it clutters the screen dots would also be a problem if they started flashing colors and making sound effects BM pets are also a problem you should go make a DK and play it if you think that’s all there is to it the class has to press a lot of globals compared to locks and has its own set of weaknesses as I said multiple times before I’m unbiased and that is your downfall at asking for changes because you don’t look at your classes strengths only the weaknesses.
You all get riled up when ret players try defending their class with bias but you would do the same thing if it was your class that was broken which is unfortunate for the player base.
Wth does that have to do with anything? You try to lecture others on kiting and then try to argue how unbiased and impartial you are because you argued the Arcane Barrage nerfs were warranted? That has nothing to do with kiting. Literally anyone any their mom could see Arcane Barrage needed nerfs…
I play DK, champ… Yet it’s just a fact. I’m not saying I’m not higher rated on warlock because my teammates suck. Like, if that’s what you read, then you missed my point. I DID say that most people’s case (probably at least 90% of people playing this game), their team mates are not gonna peel for them properly. That doesn’t mean I think a warlock’s rating, or lack of rating, is the teammates’ fault. It’s just an issue any caster besides Mage is gonna have to deal with.
It doesnt, they just keep making random remarks off topic and derail the topic that there is obvious tuning bias and that pretty much all else and even some nonsensical nerfs has been given to specs except retri.
A lot of specs have gained nerfs to season 3, somehow retri and mm still dodging the nerfs even though retri being the one most broken and they ridiculously even buffing retri accidentally for pvp with buffs that were aimed for pve but they forgot that we have templates.
Demos two off season nerf made zero sense in any sense if its nowhere near as good as retri and they even buff retri for season 3 instead of nerfing it what it factually deserves, ppl can derail and speak whatever they want but the fact still remain that something as bad as demo were nerfed twice before season even begin and something as broken as retri were actually buffed instead of nerfed for season 3. Good luck argue against that not happent.
Still waiting answer for this, I see a lot else said except anything to contradict that there wouldnt be obvious tuning bias in favour of retris.
When Demo was broken during SL thanks to legendary I was open about it on forums, when Aff was overpowered at the start of TWW I never said that it is ok. So your accusations of being bias is baseless.
When I complain about warlocks I don’t even mention the damage, I speak about Mechanics and Bugs that plague the class and all specs.
Dont worry they also posting to say how easy it is to play mage but have nothing played on mage cause they have only played uhdk which is S+ and havent been nerfed like mage 5 times by now for this season. Wouldnt surprise me too much if they played ele next now that it gain buff. Wow eu. The main thing still remain that retri is one broken spec that is not nerfed and there is obvious tuning bias if blizz nerfs demo but not retri. Should be obvious for anyone who plays the game why it makes no sense to nerf demo twice and buff retri. Honestly dont even know why there need to be discussion about it on this length when the matter is so simple why its nonsensical tuning and there being obvious retri bias.
Nobody ever called mage easy. But failing to break 1800 when barrage was nuking for 10kk? Thats a special kind of skill issue. Your paladin obsession is so wild you wouldnt even manage to look good on that class
You said you are casual player so act like one. Stick to casual classes and stay out of the stuff that actually requires some brains — its not for you. You couldnt even figure out hunter
Do you really think I can’t gear my mage next and have success on it? it takes time to gear chars I just started playing again last week because I was on mop nothing has changed on mage to make it harder to play in arena you need buffs for these classes because you are not good at them not because the classes are bad.
I had to level my Resto shaman first to help with conquest and honor farming and because someone on the forums said it was impossible to climb with healer but again people are not dying in globals and it’s still a damp fest we are just dying at a lower % damp now which is good for the game.
Also yes I will be playing ele next as my 3 mains are mage/shaman/dk and that’s what I play even when they suck like dk has since dragonflight.
Dk is not currently S+ tier either it might be in the lower ranks but it’s A tier at best maybe the 5th best Meele in the meta and all of its comps are a budget version of what’s meta.
Well it’s a good job most of the casters like sp/boomy/ele/demo don’t have to kite as much like mage because they have CDs and cc to trade while they are been trained and their damage is enough to win dampening.
With current level of damage you can’t just tank damage. Best way of surviving is kiting, and demo, ele, SP can’t kite efficiently because of overtuned mobility of melee and some other casters.
On top of that casters like SP and Demo is hardcasting everything, unlike mages like fire, frost, boomy and ele who can instacast and cast on the move.
That’s what precog is for buddy SP is definitely Tanky right now it’s almost unkillable outside of certain comps that counter it rets/hpala/disc also make it god mode defensive wise.
it takes time to gear chars I just started playing again last week because I was on mop nothing has changed on mage to make it harder to play in arena you need buffs for these classes because you are not good at them not because the classes are bad.