Tuning Bias

He really thinks that he is playing the hardest and the weakest class in the game, there is no reason to argue.

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You asked yourself if Demo gameplay is overwhelming for new players. New player won’t even understand when SP or Aff(If someone would actually play aff) rot you down.
With demo you have a direct visual feedback - Demo made a cast, demon appeared on the screen. Overwhelming - maybe, but not as what I said above about other classes.

Demo is badly designed spec - yes. But is far from being toxic as classes like Ret, boomy, MM, Arcane, fury.

17th place if we trust drustvar info. Boomy is 4th and SP is 10th, and between boomy and Demo is whole plethora of specs who is toxic by the overwhelming damage, mobility, cc and overall design.

And you argue that melee - the most go to specs in the game, doesn’t deserve a nerf to their toolkit. So what is point of even discussing it with you here?

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Still no topic related posts nor an answer on how to justify two off season nerf on demo while they buff retribution for season. Lots of off topic delulu but nothing on the actual topic that retribution is avoiding nerfs it deserves.

Are other trivial classes like demo being nerfed while retri gain buff, yes :white_check_mark:

Are mages being 5 times nerfed while mm gains zero, yes :white_check_mark:

Are bunch of classes being nerfed while retri stay op and even gains buffs, yes :white_check_mark:

Jees louise it looks to me like there is tuning bias, oh but hey it seems its the threads topic, well it’s good thing I was here to discuss about the topic and what matters and not something else.

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You are talking about playerbase not the top of the ladder demo is currently number 3 and destro at number 4 demo will have a lower playerbase no matter if it is meta or not.

Skill cap puts uhdk on S+ but lets pretend that uhdk is bad or harder to play than demo/mage. Also lets say “just cast surge” when ourselves dont actually play mage or have any clue how to play mage but actually fotm roll uhdk and ele :joy:

Btw nerfing demo when buffing retri still makes absolute zero sense in any competitive wise tuning for anyone who know the power dynamics of current meta and play the game.

At no universe retri should gain anything but nerf, buff for it cause pve is just slap at pvp communitys face to show us they dont care of pvp. Anyways stay on the topic of “tuning bias” or make new thread to talk of your random stuff nobody is here for or care about.

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Thats because Unholy DK is S tier on NA take a look at the ladder its almost higher than arcane mage EU play meta only NA do not they like to play meele cleaves the top comp on NA right now is ret/hunter/x while on EU it will be rogue/mage/x.

Buddy mage is broken still if you cant play it just give up you struggled to get 1800 when arcane was 1 shotting people :nerd_face:

Unholy has clear counters that are not been played as much on NA like they are on EU there is not many mage/dev players which counters unholy and a lot of boomys slow moving casters which unholy counters also there is a lot of disc priests on NA which unholy plays well into.

Nice flame but played my mage since first weeks of the season when capped conq on it, I play a lot of things, and theres half year of this season to get 2.1-2.4 on all of them if I want. Just like last season I did with 9x specs. Unlike only playing uhdk/ele if they are fotm. I could also reroll retri or play my arms but I dont care, I play hpriest and demo in shuffle and arena as rsham with friends which none are fotm btw.

These attempts to try rating shame people in this thread still has zero to do with tuning bias, if somebody get 2.1 on uhdk in shuffle with 40% win congratulations I guess but I would still stay on the topic of tuning bias as this thread is about the obvious retri tuning bias and retri avoiding nerfs.

Pretty obvious imo what the topic here should be instead this random. I couldnt put any less value on it. I’m here for the topic which is retribution tuning bias. Stay on topic or make new thread about whatever random it was, I dont care read the replies if its not topic related, doesnt look to be about the topic so will ignore I think thats about enough spam.

And people wonder why paladins are defending their class when we have people like this guy spamming the same stuff over and over to push his agenda.

Imagine if he spent all this time improving instead of going on smear campaigns.

You can see my mages rating from LAST SEASON LMAO i always play mage its not rating shame you are just a terrible player with an opinion that is always wrong you are sat here saying i fotm ele/dk when i have played them for years?? LOL

I dont like the current design of mage as its become viable to just sit back and do damage and if im going to play that way i might aswell play the classes that are built around playing like that instead of cheesing wins with mage without actually landing cc.

And people wonder why retributions or other people defend broken spec when its obvious to see through across all brackets that its overtuned and broken.

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You wont ever face them anyway brother you play to 1800 with 80 shuffle rounds 40% winrate and then quit… LMAO

Im yet to understand what your reasoning for wanting balance changes made is when you clearly suck and dont play the game past getting elite sets?

Even on the S tier specs you complain about MM for example you are 110 games in 49% winrate at 1770??? you must be trolling

HAHAHAHHAHAHAH

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Anyways, on the topic. It looks like all else is being nerfed except retribution. Maybe I should also reroll retri or play my arms or another S+ tier class like uhdk and take 40% win 2.1 in shuffle and begin rating bash ppl who are still gearing their characters. That sure would be smart, kinda like derailing topics of retribution avoiding nerfs when its so obvious for everyone else. Interesting random spam of replies, didnt care read past first lines of random till slapped ignore.

Funny how this guy talks about derailing threads when he completely derailed Shockojambo’s thread.

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Guys have you played vs ww?

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Tomorrow we’ll see the upcoming patch notes. It’ll be a good test to see if Blizzard actually listens to the PvP feedback we’ve all been sharing .Stay tuned.

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Seeing how they nerf everything else than the actually broken specs like retris I doubt it, but color me positively surprised if after 6 season there actually is something that brings it down a notch :joy:

On positive, we did see big nerf on fistweaver recently so maybe there still comes a day they also stop retris being free rating for ppl playing new spec with only half of their spellbook on hotbars.

Where are the Dh nerfs?

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Tell me that this is the joke. DH is on 5th place among all melees in solo shuffle on 2200+ with 50% winrate. It is perfectly fine.

To listen and adjust you need a critical thinking and gray matter in the skull.
Both are missing in the heads of modern blizz employees.