Tuning Bias

%100 right. %100 agree.
Ret/FrostMage/DemoLock/BMHunter
Whenever this specs overperform, Blizz always keep ignore it.

By my opinon main problem why ret is so powerful:

  1. Mega easy to execute CC, yet high yield, if you ask me so much reward for so low efford and skill. Awesome booth for opening CC chain, or continuing CC chain, and strongest part is ultimate synergy with other classes like hunters for example… maybe they can chew up that synergy a bit.

  2. I think they was overgenerous when they trun rets into ranged melee, maybe reduce range for some abilities -33%.

I dislike concept of OP classes where people swarm like rats to play it… Because in WoW all classes and specs are fun when viable.

Nice mogg tho

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I cannot believe they didn’t buff rets this patch, close down the class discord right now

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I took 4 mil in bear form from a warrior. Please stop it.
On top of that warrior, rets and hunters have the most complete toolkits.
you got 0 reasons to complain.

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what do you know about shuffle ur ls cr was 2k in rss

Still bigger than yours 1.9k :rofl:

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Youre not exactly a high rated player. Talking about 1800 like youre actually doubling down on that rating while effectively youve been on 2.4k ONCE in shuffle in DF where rating inflation made it achivable for actual 1800 players.
We dont have to nerf retri dmgwise. Make forbearance 1 min, reduce its range back to normal, no more ranged melee hits, make wings dispellable since it effectively a 45 sec cd.

Subscribe to Ret Discord Premium™ to avoid nerfs. Nitro boost the server and maybe Blizzard will buff Ret instead

HUH.

That’s got to be one of the most ridiculous things I’ve read.

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With every cooldown lined up, yes Warrior can spike, but outside of that we deal balanced amount of damage when we have melee uptime. It’s seems the thread has been derailed a bit and lets remind the topic of the thread. it’s that Blizzard applies tuning inconsistently: Warrior gets hammered fast when strong, while other specs get way lighter or heavier adjustments.

It was dispellable previously as a 2 minute cooldown. They made it undispellable because ret had no mobility. Now they have more than enough with a ton of trash buffs, which are functioning as dispell protection.
Im not waiting you to understand how did the game work when it was actually playable in the past. You started playing this game when already was in a crap state.

Ok lets make avatar, incarn, trueshot, metamorphosis, shadowblades, ascendance or whatever 2-3 min burst CD dispellable :clown_face:

as if all blessings, glare and all cc isn’t dispellable is enough already.

HUH, what.

I’ve been playing since the game launched.

None of those are a 45 sec cd as wings baked in WoA. Beside hunters none of those classes has as much immunities and defensives as retribution has.
Also you want glare to be undispellable? :joy::joy: youre kind of a joke. Literally retri is dominating solo ladder you get 2 of them every lobby. But youre crying about glare being dispellable :joy::joy:

Thats sad. And you still forgot an itty bitty fact about wings.
Wings can stay as it is for holy, but in its current format alltogether with the utility retribution provides and over the top range it shouldnt be a thing. Oh lets not forget about the plethora of defensives it has.

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I didn’t forget anything. I just think it’s ridiculous that you think it should be dispellable.

Ok then by your own logic, metamorphosis from eye beam should also be dispellable.

Also paladin always had immunities since vanilla.

I didn’t say I want glare undispellable, I said it was dispellable, so are our blessings and bubble.

It was made dispellable for a reason. I find it ridiculous that you think it fine not to have a counterplay if you decide so.

I do think that eyebeam should be effected by metamorphosis only for its duration. If you get stopped durning it you shouldnt get meta at all.

With forbearance being a thing you couldnt use them one after another. Also you were not able to do FULL dmg durning it.

You were implying it, you dont have to write it. Also bubble really? Cant remember since when is bubble dispellable beside MD and shattering.

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What does this even mean?

Actually in vanilla LoH didnt give forb. Now I can do full DMG in bubble but its not 12 sec anymore, only 8.

You cant prove this.