Youre not adressing anything. youre in stage one, denial. Rets needs adressing, so far couldnt see a reasonable solution from you or any commenting retribution regarding how to nerf paladin without hurting your community fragile mental status
Well, you can just go back and re-read this thread without your clouded judgment and see that I’ve done just that.
According to you, not me.
Well, I’m not the one advocating for nerfs, you are, so you bring up the solutions.
So now instead of locks and mages being countered by paladins we got opressed priests — apparently its not enough that they can RIP bubble BoP and freedom. Maybe we should also let them spoil LoH so it instantly kills the paladin on use? Parallel universes are real and one of them has all these crazy balance 
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12 yards vs ranged 30 yards…
You only mentioned 1 class… Their is plenty of classes that can do this…
Proct chance, outside wake of ashens…
20% damage reduction which I forgot… Even so, still not fantastic…
The class has become popular again… Likewise as mentioned before, the more people start playing a class, the more they are gunna climb and acheve… When the new DH spec comes out and become incredibly populer, you watch the PvP ladder and DH defending and non DH wanting nerfs…
Reason why im defending Ret is because I love the class and the fact Rets have been nerfed into the ground and finaly its nice to see my spec flourish and people dont like that concept… Its the way it is… Its not my fault that people play FOTM…
If you look onto the Druid section, aint people defending the spec from nerfs and wanting buffs?.. 
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They got 15% nerf on random spell, the longevity of their class discord is already in danger
I’m not druid, use check pvp and realise that not all people on forum are their avatars in game, people play 20-30 characters per account on average, I play 16 specs on 8 classes. Also other people defending or wanting buffs for specs on random things is not valid measurement of nothing in class tuning conversation, class tuning is supposedly based in statistics which all currently show retri is broken and not nerfed so hence the topic “tuning bis” its not really hard to understand.
if any class is Overpowered. they usually end up nerfing Death knight.
its a running joke at this point … poor DK
- ret OP … damn sorry guys… NERFS DK
- Arcane mage op… OH… NERFS DK
you get the picture.
So whats the point of all this DEEP analysis if you cant even study a class past its basic rotation? And judging by your armory even the op specs seem to be too much for you to handle
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Yes because all meta fluid or DPS gypsie decided to play Ret because it is Broken and easy to play.
You can defend the class how long you wish, but the facts remain the same, Rets is broken and every the insane popularity of the spec has nothing to do with “Good design” or “Class fantasy”.
You all witches whined when destro was everywhere because blizz has buffed to absurdity damage of insta casts. Same happens right now with Rets.
There is obvious tuning bias when retri / arms has the most players and they cry about mage so mage gets nerfed 5 patches row, but when people complain of retri which is obviously broken for 2 expansions now after its rework it just stays broken cause it has biggest player base, so it looks like they actually do tuning only to please the most played specs which I could understand business wise if they are thinking of money.
Still I do not think its fair that when retri / war which most has the largest player base complain of their hard counter mages the mages then get nerfed but nothing done on the retri which is actually broken beyond and even more op than any spec of mages have ever been so far. It does seem that the specs that have largest player base complain of something then the spec gets nerfed even if they self are factually an S++ tier specs. This is obviously not sensical class tuning competitive wise but I dont even anymore think they see tuning that way. How else can anyone explain why retribution stays this op for 2 expansions 6 seasons row.
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For starters you cant back up your own claims with anything but your imagination. You have no numbers, no stats, nothing. And even if i handed you the archives from the last six seasons you wouldnt be able to make sense of them or pull out anything coherent.
Even if i actually tried to break it down for you with numbers and charts youd either get offended or spam reports until the post gets deleted. Your reputations already in the gutter — nobody gonna take you seriously
P.S I guess insane damage looks like this 
https://ibb.co/gMXvm6sM
P.S.S DAT MAGES WARLOCKS!!!
https://ibb.co/7qNzRqP
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Because the fundamentals haven’t changed since classes were “pruned” back in Legion.
The same goes for MM, BM, shadow priests, disc, subtlety, devoker, frost, dh, balance, arms… etc… these specs are always OP because they’re designed to be OP.
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What on earth are you even spamming me, no clue what are you talking about or why are you pasteing me some random picture of warriors and retributions doing a lot dmg. We already know that retribution is broken. And if you think that people who defend retribution now are taken seriously I can tell you its the otherway around, anyways continue your crusade on trying defend retribution to someone else I dont care.
Ps. so you know were not allowed to paste players in screens on forum cause the rules literally prohibit it and your post could be interpret that youre flaming those ppl if you dont specify otherwise. So in future if I was you I would take 10 sec of my time and put something over the names, but I dont care what you do.
Bro can read the future 
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just numbers you talk about that dont exist, the reality you ignore you still say you didnt see anything 
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What numbers? Where do you pull these random things, thats strawman or you think youre talking with someone else. All I’ve said to this thread is that retris are broken and anyone with access to internet can see it from public statistics.
You paste some one picture from game with warriors and retributions from one game, what exactly is that going to prove or single screenshot from single game going to prove anyway. You know there is actual statistics of ladder that are public which show that retribution is overperforming, a lot larger scale statistics than your screenshot of “proof” from one match.
Do you seriously think that one picture from single game is valuable as some metric or backs your claims of retri not being broken. Whole eu/na player base know retri is broken except few individuals who keep defending their broken spec apparently.
As a newly minted ret main i see absolutely nothing wrong. Those 6:0 lobbies are addicting. I get it now.
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i feel you, been that way for rogues since forever, this season alone already. Week 1: paladin, boomie, mm hunter OP, lets nerf rogue garrote damage by 15%. Week 2: paladin, boomie, mm hunter OP, lets nerf rogue fatebound coin damage by 30%
The fatebound coin damage was justified but the garrote one just came out of nowhere.
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They keep nerfing everything else except the retri or mm its unreal
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It always surprises me how ridiculously easy to play MM is when compared to most other specs. I think only devoker and BM are of the same breed. There’s just so much convenience built into these specs.
Ret and DH are very easy as well, but those specs actually have to go toe to toe with the enemy.
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