I think you should follow your own advice mate.
Trying to argue against the actual meaning of words is illogical in itself
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Everyone in the party âneedsâ 1000g equally. A BoE is a commodity, it is a tradeable item, like a diamond, a gemstone etc.
Do not try to say 100+g is not âneededâ by all the people who triggered the drop.
Just because the commodity is an item makes no difference, that is why it DOES NOT BIND ON PICKUP⌠It is for trading.
It is clear you are missing somethingâŚso again I will leave you to those with more patience.
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If the warrior needs that edgemaster he can grind the gold, sell that hunter BoE etc. to get the gold to buy it.
What people do amongst friends / guildies is personal choice, but to do otherwise in a PuG is being unfair.
wow you must be an absolute joy to play with âI need this to vendor, I need this epic to DE, I need this item so I can mail my altâ jesus what stupidity is this?
The only reason things like loot council and stuff exists is because of people like you that think itâs ok to just need on everything in sight.
You donât NEED 1000g you just want it, youâre perfectly fine the way you are at that moment. You canât get an instant upgrade by needing on something you have no idea about if it will sell, however the person who itâs an actual upgrade for gets an instant boost.
But then again logic is not your thing.
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Suspect that is a phrase you are very used to hearing, perhaps you shouldnât repeat it without understanding it.
In that case you must be used to hearing âomg ninjalooterâ
You donât NEED an instant upgrade. You just want it.
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gear upgraded should be needed for raiding.
Itâs clear who here have a crap conscious and or selfish beyond belief. There is a topic about this on the US forums as well, which has the same discussion going on where people try to justify their selfish gold needs over an actual upgrade for a person.
Lets just say that in vanilla that type of behavior was really bad and would get you kicked out of guilds even. You would end up on a blacklist and known as a ninja looter.
Coming back from not playing since WOTLK it saddens me to see what the âcommunityâ has become.
only thinking me me me me and screw everyone else because Iâm the most important thing ever
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Upgrades that you can buy with gold.
You are very entitled to demand that your group mates sponsor gold for your upgrades.
I had a ninja in a UBRS group steal a traveller backpack and then leave. So petty players are far and wide.
this is a stupid argument, what if there is none on the ah in the first place? I should buy it of the crap person that needed on it and didnât actually need it?
try reading: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/need-or-greed-on-boe-epics/297966/80
It another place where selfish people like you get chewed out by people who actually have standards
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On the contrary I am not so selfish that I demand that my group mates give up a chance at a large amount of gold just to sponsor MY GEAR. That would be insanely selfish.
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Never in 15 years of playing have I ninjad anything.
This.
I have always pursued fairness. I have fallen out with so many GMs over the fact they want to restructure the DKP system to benefit officers, etc. (being an officer myself). I have never reserved âlootâ and would never do so, as I donât agree with that either.
BoEs are big sacks of gold, it is unfair to expect the group to fund someone just because of armour type.
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Lmao, could you actually define what you think the difference between âNeedâ and âWantâ is, while youâre at it?
I want 10000000000 euro, I donât need it
I need food if I want to function properly
So hard to understand I guess? But I guess you really need 10000000000?
It was as a retort to your ridiculous claim, as in your case you never ninjad anything I never heard that phrase said to me.
Thatâs not how definitions work, but I guess I shouldnât have expected anything more coherent.
Let me help you out:
âNeedâ implies a requirement for some goal, âWantâ doesnât.
You donât need BoE gear to raid. So tell me again, how exactly do people âNeedâ BoEs and donât âNeedâ gold?
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Sigh, not sure how many times I have to explain thisâŚ
To be honest, itâs a complete waste of time trying to argue with someone that wants to justify their greed as something that is normal.
I was using an exaggerated example to imply the stupidity of the argument itself.
NEED has always implied you need it for gear to wear right now, or at least in the near future (thatâs why people require you to equip it right there and then)
GREED has always been for people that want the item for gold or any other reasons like off-spec or alts.
That you are making your greed think you need it, is beyond me. No argument will win you over, nor the other way around.
You are a greedy person if you need on an item that a member if your party would use as a direct upgrade right now. Easy as that.
Your silly argument
Makes everyone need on everything as it supplies gold towards their goal, whatever that may be.
What if someone in your party needed on literally everything that drops and give you the same answer you gave me? Oh you can just run the dungeon again for a BoP. I really needed that BoP to disenchant because I need to reach 300 enchanting.
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A holier-than-thou paladin⌠Funny.
Anyway, everyone needing on BoE epics is by far the best realistic solution.
Thereâs no chance of ninjaâing, and if the winner wants to give it to someone who will use it themselves, they can. No fuss, no drama.
Rolling greed means a big chance of drama if someone rolls need, and probably the group breaking up or others starting to need on BoPâs out of spite.
If you want to play it safe, roll need and tell others to do the same.
If you donât mind risking the drama or donât care, roll greed.
Simple as that.
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Indeed⌠Well said.
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