i find it highly unlikely that people who do solely world content suddenly sign up to your +10-15
what is more likely is that people who sign in for those and bi…ch about raider io are people who clear hc raids 2-3 months into patch and are now on like +/- 3 mythic boss kills.
what i do find more realisting and what i see in game is that people who got nice gear but still miss some pieces sign up to hc dungeons when quest is up and help newly dinged people to finish it easier. or to mythic 0 .
same with raiding. stop pretending to be good samaritans - those people would never got into any hc raids because they dont have curve and everyone creating groups in lfg wants to be carried so they only invite curve people.
what we have now is actually beneficial to those people because they can go and look for guild to do raid with because they are not completly behind on gear.
It gives you incentive not to do anything challenging as you can get 393 with trivial content like world quests
It gives other people incentive not to bother if they can do the same
Beats the purpose of creating a difference between players who try and succeed and those who don’t try at all. Let’s not kid ourselves, those who reach high should be considerably ahead of those that don’t try at all. (Heroic may not be high high, but it’s high for some people).
That’s what gearing curve is. You clear normal tier (mythic0-5, 0-1700 rating), you get normal loot, you clear heroic tier level (mythic5-11, 1700-1900 rating), you get heroic tier loot, you clear mythic tier level, you get that. But now we get heroic tier loot even if we didn’t clear normal tier level.
So you haven’t stepped into even mythic3+ or normal raid, but you call them easy content. For you it’s not, and for lot of other people, it’s challenge to overcome, as is heroic raid, and mythic 5, mythic 10, mythic 15.
and yet I have both of the previous expansion heroic one-time mounts, you need to dig deeper if you are going to poke at what you can clearly see is a new character.
regardless i am likely not going to bother doing heroic unless there is another one of those as there is little reason to do so, heroic was not much of a challenge in the previous 2 expansions and uldir was not much of a challenge either, so much so that i stopped doing uldir heroic because it was pointlessly easy without really anything special to gain by doing so.
No heroic Uldir
No heroic Dazar’alor
No m+ higher than +2
You saying that’s trivial content and literally as easy as world quests and warfronts, is like me sitting on my couch eating chips watching 2nd league football game and saying I could get together with few friends and beat them, as it’s not 1st league. No it’s not, it requires time and dedication as well.
I looked at your achievements, you didn’t finish heroic Uldir, heroic Dazar’alor, so yes my comment is correct, you say they’re all super easy and trivial as world quests, but you haven’t managed to reach it yourself.
Saying only mythic raid matters while you can’t even finish heroic raid is whole new level of “This is easy, I didn’t do it myself but I know it’s easy, you’re all fools for trying”.
Yet you haven’t actually considered the obvious, i am not going to finish them, there is no reason for me to waste my time doing that, I gain absoloutly nothing by going into the heroic raid and doing what is effectively just autoattacking and recieving an achievement that i dont really care about in the first place.
Frost dk is not exactly difficult to do this with when you have multiple autoprotection shields allowing you to completely ignore almost any raid mechanic.
I know people who are struggling on Conclave and doing mythic10 regularly, people on Rastakhan, Stormwall…
You’re saying you can do it all while autoattacking, I’m gonna call your bluff here, you did LFR but didn’t finish normal and heroic, if they were as easy as LFR and world quest, you would’ve done them.
You know what’s worst than elitist? One that’s bad but acts like he’s best around. Get off your high horse.
Sure thing. 8-9 months into expansion and haven’t managed to get through heroic raid, but it’s easy you say. Sure it is. Go autoattack and show me the achievement. Come on then, go autoattack it.
You know why you got it killed without mechanics? You got carried. I did same in Uldir, got invited by few friends who finished it heroic, they told me over mic what to do, I did it well, carried orbs solo, because they all knew what to do. But they didn’t kill it instantly, took them a month, that’s not autoattacking.
And how do I know u got carried? You killed it 30th of June, which is like last chance for curve, you got carried hard. when everyone had endgame gear. Or spent months progressing. So yeah keep talking how only mythic raid matters and everything is irrelevant. 7 months into Antorus, that’s when it was good enough for you to get carried.
Pretty much, if you start early you progress with entry level rewards and people struggle with content, and if you start mid-late, you get all catch-up gear and everyone already knows fights.
The only time I ever raided current content was Onyxia & ZG in vanilla and Nax and OS in WotLK. I didn’t do it for gear, I did it because I wanted to see what it was like. I don’t think ive ever had a piece of gear drop from a raid (except LFR).
Yet here I am playing the game after 14 years still…….gear is not my incentive; I love RPGs and I have always enjoyed WoW.
Sure - if all they care about is gear and not the experience of the raid. Im pretty sure every raider I’ve ever chatted with are there for the experience.
Mounts, achievements, titles, cosmetics, pets - they all make your character different to mine and considerably ahead.
I’d imagine most serious raiders don’t really care what gear I can get from not raiding - just the spoiled entitled few who think I diminish their game experience…when quite clearly they do that for themselves with their snooty attitude tbh.
Playing several MMORPGs, you always come back to WoW because of the gearing system, it’s what WoW has best, you might not play for gear, but gear does affect gameplay greatly for those that do.
But enough negativity, I see a positive side to this change at least with emissary going to 400, as it’s often bad traits you get from residuum purchases, and emissaries usually give good ones for some reason. So at least some comfort.
I’m pointing out you saying heroic raid is easy, when you wait until the very end of tier to get carried, it’s not easy, requires group effort, for people to get together and push through that content. But whatever makes you feel better mr mythic raider.
I don’t raid, but I’m not going to spit on everyone that does saying their effort is in vain, to say heroic raid can be done with autoattacking is insulting anyone that does try, if they’re stuck on some heroic boss, you basically insult them deeply with your comments.
