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You clearly haven’t played frost dk or enhancement shaman lately have you?

I’ve played both, what’s your point? Is everyone in game enha and frost? Are they?

And if you mind goes to what’s easiest for avoiding damage, then I have no doubt you got carried, I’d rather look how I could contribute more.

anyone can make those and play them easily enough so it does not matter wether they do ar don’t, if you only care about end achivements then currently it is just free for these 2 specs and thus the entire achievement itself is pretty much worthless for heroic due to this fact.

that is only semi true. someone who doesnt do normal raids/mythic + keys has to play for many weeks to reap benefits from this system. without gear from warfronts progress solely through emmisaries is extremly slow becuse of how the itlv treshholds are done on gear that drops from emmisaries.

for example to get 395 from emmisaries you will most liekly have to be 390-391 - and to get 400 azerite most probably will require oyu to be 395.

this system promotes those to stay subbed through whole duration of patch

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Maybe you play for achievements, other people play to progress their characters and overcome challenge, killing last boss is more satisfaction than achievement to have in your achi tab, but guess you’re just one of those that buys the achi for cheap. 30th of June, was a good time, lot of cheap curves.

why would I buy a heroic achievement on a frost dk which can just autohit the heroic raids down anyway?

I’m going to bet you 10k gold everyone in that Antorus heroic raid was geared and had curve already, possibly a guild boosting, or a friend that managed to sneak you in. Feel free to comment on your main. if I’m wrong. You basically got boosted and you’re coming here saying heroic raid is as easy as world quests.

And it’s pretty cringy repeating that you can autohit heroic raids when you haven’t completed them, you would’ve if you could’ve, but you couldn’t have.

That’s BFA preseason.
That isn’t even remotely counting.
Post on char you killed Argus with before preseason, while season was active, one you got boosted on.

its only gonna get worse

Why you keep linking videos from preseason with bug abuse?
Can you do that in Uldir? No
Can you do it in Dazar’alor? No
Could you have done it in Argus during season? No.

It’s funny how after a century of “better dead than red” USA is turning into a leftist state, which now manifests itself even in computer games.
Im waiting for Classic WoW where each gets what he deserves.

that is literally a hunter clicking abilities in a 3-man “raid” which means an actual raid would only need about 30% of their performance to get a clear.

Yeah in preseason, after curve was disabled. Show me the same during season, like first 6 months of Antorus, or Uldir, or Dazar’alor.
Preseason is fun time, joke time, healers could survive being attacked by 10 people, I’d know, I played one got to 1800 rating in a day.

Come on hotshot, show me some Uldir and Dazar’alor solo videos.

Rather than wasting your time on the forum claiming its that difficult why don’t you go make a frost dk and use the autoattack build and see for yourself how easy it is…

Is it? Show me, where’s those solo videos for Uldir and Dazar’alor? If its so easy. Frost dks are in terrible spot, unholy are way stronger, and you won’t be seeing frost used anywhere. Come on then, show me frost dk soloing Uldir and Dazar’alor.

now you’re just being unrealistic…

So your entire idea of heroic being easy is based on frost dk in season 7 postseason and BFA preseason. Which is pretty much irrelevant now as frost dk are weak. Not to mention that you’re saying for curve you need frost dk, which are neither tanks, nor healers, nor rdps, just goes to show how clueless you are on raiding.

If you think frost dk is weak in PvE then you clearly have no idea about the very basics of frost dk, it is a spec that can essentially passively ignore a large chunk of damage intake that other classes would need to take healing from.

This is due to a combination of a talent called permafrost which passively stacks a shield when you autoattack which is very powerful when paired with 15% attack speed from icy talons and the autoattack damage bonus from frozen pulse.

When paired with resounding protection and/or impassive visage and maybe death strike if something goes wrong, this all results in a dpser that almost never needs to be healed in a PvE environment.

You seem to be completely in the dark about why frost dk’s are complaining that their class sucks as well as using mythic data to analyse a class in heroic where that data is irrelevant.

It’s also a spec that does considerably less damage and gives less benefit to group.

It’s also mdps, you need rdps, healers and tanks, mdps are much easier to find.

You can’t say heroic raid is as easy as world quests, when you play fdk just so you can avoid most dmg while rest of the group carries you, and that’s at the last day of the season when everyone else is geared and knows fights, and you’re there first time.

I guess what you want to say curve is easy to get, and yes it is, can be bought with gold, day worth of farm for final boss on hc. But is it easy to finish heroic raid with your guild, a group of people where you need variety of classes and everyone to perform well? As easy as WQs? No.