Change my mind, we live in the era of infinite sustain rogues with infinite uptime, subterfuge is a thing so you can still open.
Make rogues have not have the most free setup in all of arena, make them not be able to chainstun flagcarriers in bGs for upto 45seconds with absolutely no counterplay, make them not get free caps on any objective with zero risk.
Please explain to me why an i270 rogue gets to nearly completely remove our i470 player from the action purely because he clicked the brainlet class on the selection screen.
Edit: just to add, this would be a great fix over subterfuge removal. Rogues no longer get completely free openers, but dont autolose if randomly aoeâd out because subterfuge exists. (Remove from shadowmeld/make it not proc while vanish buff is up as a slight nerf).
Sap 8s sap 4s sap 2s, cheap 4s, kidney 3s, blind 8s, dr resets another 14s sapsequence, another stunsequence. Its actually more than 45s but i was being nice to my rogue homies.
Unless ofc you want the FC to trinket a random zero effort sap/blind by the rogue just so they get bomb 1shot on the actual go.
Edit: The âârogues have always stunned FCsââ comment is the dumbest thing ive ever heard. Why do you think classic groups stack 5 rogues in their premades? Because sap interaction in objective based pvp has always been unbelievably broken.
Edit: ofc shadenox the rogue main who always defends rogues wants my FC to go trinket a random blind so he can end up getting 1shot in the kidney bomb.
Also withou your sequence EVEN IF YOU CANâT TRINKET BLIND you have 8+ 4 + 2 + 4 + 3 +8 = 29s, you said 45s, I want you to either show me 45 seconds of straight CC or admit your ominous lies.
Also, you canât be sapped while in combat, so after those 14s just be in combat and gg no sap.
Also after that first sequence (that isnât close to 45s) then the rogue wonât have Blind since itâs a 2min CD so you lose 8 more secs.
It looks like you just lie or exaggerate.
Get better. Get teammates around you to spot a Rogue. Get in combat so you canât be sapped. Learn the game.
you goofball you can do another sapsequence the DR resets after stunblinds. Youre so clueless for a 2400 rated player jk you play pvetrinket rogue in 2s so you literally just pve.
And if you trinket the blind in a bg you just get bomb 1shot if youre not a 1m hp tank.
Kinjal im not here to argue with you, half your posts in rogue forums are about how all you do all day is camp low levels till they quit and spam sap grief people, you obviously have serious real life issues.
Moving onâŚ
Also this proposed sap change would be better than the subterfuge change everyone wants for competitive arena too. You shouldnt instalose as a rogue because some1 randomly aoeâd you out, yet you shouldnt get completely free setup openers.
So making sap break stealth but keeping subterfuge (remove off vanish/shadowmeld) feels like itâd be a great balance change no? --> Remove off vanish meaning make subterfuge not proc while vanish buff is up, so if you want that subterfuge you have 2-3 sec of downtime/preplanning
Easy solution: donât have a squishy guy carry the flag unescorted.
First off, NO. DRs are 20s. Double stun + Blind is 15s. But w.e.
Second : enter combat so it isnât possible, maybe ? Call for help ? I mean youâll get triple sapped into stun into Blind and you donât have time to type âhelp, rogue bear FCâ ? You serious right there ? Some kind of handicap maybe ? We never know.
I guess those 2600 ish in 3s the seasons I got that magically popped after I did some 2s. Youâre very smart sir.
Yeah DRs are 20seconds, you take out those 15 (another sec if you wna add a cheap) you add mayby a garotte + autoapplied crippling poison and etc etc etc. And not to mention you can just invis/sprint alongside and repeat sap multiple times per run.
By the way I play rogue with a mage in BGs, please do tell people to trinket the blind. We blow up 800k hp tanks in a kidney bomb so do by all accounts trinket the blind.
Shadenox, blind clears dots. Imagine at every turn trying to be some snarky know it all yet always being too dumb for your own good
So what youre saying is you need to have multiple people run EXACTLY on top of the FC and instant aoe (hoping you even catch the rogue because sap range in retail LUL) to hope to catch the rogue AFTER hes already dumped 30sec of guaranteed CC beforehand, at which point all you get most likely is a (trinket) cloak vanish?
â> so all you need is 4-5 people doing nothing useful in a 10man bg and you might be able to stop 15 out of the 45seconds of unavoidable CC a rogue can land. Brilliant! Perfect class design! God forbid the enemy has actual humans playing too though.
But please enlighten us to the issue with a sap nerf, while keeping subterfuge (removed from smeld/during vanish buff)? You still get subterfuge openers in arena except you dont get the insane level of braindead free opener you do, and you still get some openers if randomly AoEâd (whereas with subterfuge removal youâd just lose).
Kinjal quote from rogue forums, second post on the forum:
â So do I still have you confused?
Also krieg Iâm trying very hard to not be rude but what I said made perfect sense, its not my fault you speak broken 3rd grade english vastly subpar german standards so you dont fully understand sorry.
Ah yeah so you can only use Garrote if you have a 2 mins CD ready to justify your scenario. Cool. Very realistic then.
Btw Iâm still waiting on the 45s total CC chain without counterplay. Mind actually answering that for real or will you keep dodging ?
No, just one with an AoE thatâll get him (Immolation aura, Frost Nova, Abomination, which spots stealthers from mega far btw, or even an other rogue who FoKs from stealth, works 100% of the time)⌠no need to be stupid, be efficient, it works better.
No no, I mean you spot him on the very first resap, so after 8 (EIGHT) seconds of CC, not 30. You know, first sap, 8, then when he wants to resap you get him out. Be smart pls.
