Not a big deal, but it’s not a good example for communication between devs and their community. If they hate Asmon so much they should tell it to him on one of the Blizzcons or simply keep it for themselves.
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“I don’t care. I talk sh*t about them all the time. I’m a big boy. I can handle it. I don’t need people harassing them to defend my honor.” ~ Asmongold
Seems to be fine for him at least?
It was in support of a left wing extremists who was blatantly rallying a hate mob against him.
Not a good look.
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To me anyone can call anyone else any name under the sun, I draw the line at physical violence
But that developer, who is a wow developer, is in my eyes complicit with just intentionally designing the game to take longer without making it more enjoyable needs to take a good hard look in the mirror before chosing to use such words to describe others
Examples;
- Tyrannical added to KSM
- fail condition for a COMPLETED TORGHAST RUN with point system
- timegating the story so hard that at the end of 9.0’s story I honestly had no clue what the full story was because it was just 10 minutes of unmemorable story then 1 week of nothing
The above design philosophy imo is more toxic then anything a player can cough up
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Sure, it’s pretty poor communication. But according to the hurt poster in the OP, it’s disgusting and blablabla. To me, it seems these people have a fetish to act like snowflakes more than anything else.
The difference between asmon and them is that he can actually take offense, but let’s be real here, the things that these apparently very inclusive people do is way worse than what asmon does, those people actually go out of their way to try to ruin asmon.
I think that asmon sometimes did say some off colored things, but never a crusade against certain people.
That’s the difference.
Honestly, i’m with him 100%, the other big difference is that the guy from blizzard is kinda representing a company, he’s not just a single dude, asmon is just a guy streaming, so it’s not quite an equal comparison.
Also, asmon doesn’t really care if people call him names, but i think he is right to defend himself when people actually do harass him. Words are one thing, they can just be ignored, but harassment campaigns are not quite the same.
That’s about it, these apparently inclusive people are not very inclusive at all, only if you are like them, honestly, i don’t really care either, it’s just funny to see the complete hypocrisy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCKDV6zIoNw for context. This should tell you everything you need to know.
In general, words can be ignored, if you want to respond, fine, but calls to action, physical violence, and trying to defame people or general harassment gives you the right to defend yourself.
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OP may be just a simple troll. I feel like we shouldn’t talk about this situation at all. It’s just sad to see place where WoW is now.
I remember old days when devs would argue with players but it usualy was in person or dm’s and games were actualy great and pure from all this … things.
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I think they do this pretty well without telling him. Being the biggest WoW creator doesn’t help when his criticism is harsh and potentially fuels his followers to attack the company (lets be real, he can’t stop his followers doing this).
He doesn’t get any of the perks that other WoW content creators do like being able to conduct interviews with Activision Blizzard staff or even being invited to their HQ to discuss the game. He may have easily been granted if these if his stance was different but at the end of the day its up to him if he wants to share his views or not.
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It was his opinion nothing else. He will get his punishment from the higher ups but destroying this man’s whole career because he blamed a streamer who constantly talking garbage about the devs that can’t do anything about ions decisions is wrong.
I also hate the communities perspective of constantly blaming the devs, which tells me you folks definitely doesn’t know the difference of a big company and a startup. If you are sitting in a strict hierarchy your voice is not worth that much. Business kpis is everything ion is concerned about and therefore the devs must do what higher ups are wish for…
I havent said he should have his career destroyed. He should however be punished. His opinion or not, hes still one of the lead devs and such behavior shouldnt happen. He can think what he said (as many others do) but one shouldnt say it. At least not in public.
“you folks”? Interesting. Tell me more.
I flame Ion for what he is saying. Hes a meme in itself. Same goes for Ghostcrawler while he was still working for Blizzard.
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One side trolls the care-bear side acting like calling somebody an ahole is a big deal, by their standards, because normally it would be an absolute crab rave for the sjw, while the care-bear side fiercely defends the fact it’s not a big deal because it’s somebody they hate got berated xD What a circus, I love it. This is content that came with the patch. It’s not even timegated.
It is allowed to say such thing in public. Not sure if you are living in a country where you can’t criticize your politicians. It’s called free speech.
Have i said otherwise? No, i havent.
Free speech means not being prosecuted by the government for it. Not being free of any consequences.
Anything else you want to put in my mouth that i have never said? If not, bugger off.
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Lets be honest, Blizzard don’t do almost anything with their community. I don’t spend too much time on yt/twitch but I saw only Preach talking to devs. When we compare it to developers even of small single player games it’s … poor.
I’m working as software dev and keeping standards is something natural for all of us. We follow dresscode and set of rules because our image is guarantee of quality of product. If you would see IT team unshaven wearing sweatpants and using inappropriate language you would not make a deal with company.
You can present this developer as a victim if he suffers the consequences, but in reality his Team Leader or a few of the people above will be hurt due to his childish actions. For the sake of the people on his team, he should keep his thoughts to himself.
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Don’t worry I’m under the impression you are not beeing able to accept other opinions. So it’s not worth it to talk with you any longer. Point stands as it is. If someone going to talk **** about your company without knowing the details employees should be also allowed to talk back.
Yes.
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Basically free speech means you are allowed to say whatever you want, but nothing protects you from the consequences of your actions.
It’s the same with everything else really, you can do anything really, but you are not free from consequences, because we live in a world where actions have consequences.
If you steal from someone, even if it was legally allowed, it’s likely that the people you stole from would try to get their things back, even if it meant violence.
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Which you can base on what? Correct. On nothing.
You assumed i want him censored. Based on nothing.
You assumed i said it was forbidden. Based on nothing.
You assumed im constantly blaming the devs. Based on nothing.
You assumed i want his career destroyed. Based on nothing.
You also assumed i dont know what freedom of speech is while semi proving that its in fact you who doesnt understand it.
You were the one putting words in my mouth so this is absolutely rich.
Yes, in a professional manner. This is not a manner appropriate for such a company which the employee represents (including during his day off)
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Precisely. I always love it when someone is coming with “free speech!1!!1” and doesn’t understand what it actually means.
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I totally agree and this will be their downfall eventually. There is a reason that others have left for FF14 where the team there does take players thoughts and opinions into account.
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