04/11/2018 15:00Posted by
Arctur Because no one cares about ugly elven trash aside from cringe-worthy weebs like Sorceress.
Hahaha no, only the great majority of people, looking at the population numbers. Do you even realise that if Blizzard added High Elves to the Alliance, they would immediately jump at the first played race, over both Night Elves and Humans?
Thalassian Elves are inherently better and the ones who people really like. Face it, just look at the recent huge High Elf movement in the US.
04/11/2018 15:01Posted by
Uruk Say what you will about Garithos, but you can't deny that he looks badass.
He does look badass indeed. When Capital City fell, most of the Alliance of Lordaeron was destroyed, yet Garithos was nonetheless able to resist in places like Dalaran, defiant against an overwhelming enemy such as the Scourge. Everyone had abandoned Lordaeron by that time, but Garithos was able to coordinate what little was left of the Alliance and resist. It's a shame that he failed to underestimate Sylvanas' cowardice, who didn't hold her end of the bargain.
It is so good that players finally start to see the good in Garithos. It is therefore not a surprise that the developers eagerly showed his model before that of other characters such as Kael'thas (infamous for being an annoying meme) or Maiev (infamous for being a moody lunatic).
But, Hey, Garithos was mean to "MUH ANIME ELVES", so I guess that all of his previous achievements are erased.
04/11/2018 15:09Posted by
Arctur He does look badass indeed. When Capital City fell, most of the Alliance of Lordaeron was destroyed, yet Garithos was nonetheless able to resist in places like Dalaran, defiant against an overwhelming enemy such as the Scourge.
The only reason he could even barely hold Dalaran is because the Blood Elves were there. Blood Elves who in the Chronicles were described as the most effective force in the Alliance since they could hold Tirisfal and Silverpine too until the Scourge went crazy because of the ritual of Illidan. Otherwise Garithos and his troops were fighting on another front meanwhile.
And Garithos was stupid enough to ignore the fact that if the Blood Elves had fallen to the Scourge and the Dreadlords, he and the Humans would have been the next ones (since you know, even the lesser forces of Sylvanas were enough to kill them all)
04/11/2018 15:09Posted by
Arctur Kael'thas (infamous for being an annoying meme) or Maiev (infamous for being a moody lunatic).
What about all the Garithos memes about the racism and hatred of Blood Elves? He's no better as a meme either...
It is so good that players finally start to see the good in Garithos. It is therefore not a surprise that the developers eagerly showed his model before that of other characters such as Kael'thas (infamous for being an annoying meme) or Maiev (infamous for being a moody lunatic).
But, Hey, Garithos was mean to "MUH ANIME ELVES", so I guess all of his previous achievements are erased.
Inbefore he gets changed to be evil so the Blood Elves have a proper/legitimate reason to join the Horde.
The only sad part of this is that we'll see his demise. Rest well Garithos, the true king and heir to Lordaeron Kingdom.
What about all the Garithos memes about the racism and hatred of Blood Elves? He's no better as a meme either...
You say that like racism is rare in the Warcraft universe, it isn't. The Blood Elves saw themselves as superior to the Humans and Nathanos was discriminated for being a Human Ranger Lord. At least he didn't commit treason like Kael did.
Inbefore he gets changed to be evil so the Blood Elves have a proper/legitimate reason to join the Horde.
He's not the only reason anyway, and actually Lor'themar blamed Kael'thas more than Garithos itself for their incident, and thought the Blood Elves were not welcomed in the Alliance anymore for that reason. Blood Elves are not always arrogant you know...
You say that like racism is rare in the Warcraft universe, it isn't. The Blood Elves saw themselves as superior to the Humans and Nathanos was discriminated for being a Human Ranger Lord. At least he didn't commit treason like Kael did.
They were still High Elves at that point, different culture.
And he was discriminated by some but he could stay in Quel'thalas. It's his own choice that he moved to the lands known later as Plaguelands.
Inbefore he gets changed to be evil so the Blood Elves have a proper/legitimate reason to join the Horde.
There is no need for that. We already know why the Blood Elves joined the Horde, and it's because Asian girls wanted a pretty and cute Horde race to play.
The only sad part of this is that we'll see his demise. Rest well Garithos, the true king and heir to Lordaeron Kingdom.
While not the legal heir of Lordaeron, he certainly played a part in keeping the memory of Lordaeron alive in the dark days that followed King Terenas' tragic death.
You say that like racism is rare in the Warcraft universe, it isn't. The Blood Elves saw themselves as superior to the Humans and Nathanos was discriminated for being a Human Ranger Lord. At least he didn't commit treason like Kael did.
Most people are racist in the Warcraft universe. Hello, there are 20+ races, prejudices are bound to emerge as the various races of the world interact with one another.
There is no need for that. We already know why the Blood Elves joined the Horde, and it's because Asian girls wanted a pretty and cute Horde race to play as.
Which is the reason the Japanese are very good people after all, they also make good animes :P but that's not the fault of the Blood Elves if they were the race picked for that purpose. I would have liked them even if they had stayed neutral for example. Certainly not Alliance because of Garithos tho.
And the same could be same for the Void Elves. Such an asspull of the Thalassian race in a void corrupted form shouldn't exist at all but people really wanted to play High Elves in the Alliance...
04/11/2018 15:20Posted by
Arctur Most people are racist in the Warcraft universe.
Yes, but not on Garithos' level. The only other one that I could think as racist as Garithos is Garrosh, and even him got the axe for that reason.
He's not the only reason anyway, and actually Lor'themar blamed Kael'thas more than Garithos itself for their incident, and thought the Blood Elves were not welcomed in the Alliance anymore for that reason. Blood Elves are not always arrogant you know...
That is even more stupid lol.
But they said there will be changes to fit into the WoW story better, I can easily see them doing something like changing Garithos and every Human under him to being evil and against Blood/High Elves.
They were still High Elves at that point, different culture.
And he was discriminated by some but he could stay in Quel'thalas. It's his own choice that he moved to the lands known later as Plaguelands.
Not that different really, and that comparison is still relevant to Garithos and his treatment. The Human jailer knew that what he was doing was wrong but was loyal to Garithos and had to do his duty or die trying. Racism shouldn't be a reason to hate Garithos when it is common.
There is no need for that. We already know why the Blood Elves joined the Horde, and it's because Asian girls wanted a pretty and cute Horde race to play.
Well ye but at least try to cover it up.
While not the legal heir of Lordaeron, he certainly played a part in keeping the memory of Lordaeron alive in the dark days that followed King Terenas' tragic death.
Well technically he is the next in line for succession so he is the legal heir to the Kingdom. Calia was presumed dead, Terenas was killed by Arthas and the nobility was destroyed.
He was the last high ranking member of the Kingdom of Lordaeron left and he took up the mantle of responsibility despite not really wanting the crown. A true hero doing what is necessary for the good of the realm and its people regardless of what he wanted.
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sigh you were not meant for greatness..
04/11/2018 15:20Posted by
Arctur Most people are racist in the Warcraft universe. Hello, there are 20+ races, prejudices are bound to emerge as the various races of the world interact with one another.
Yup, which why I don't see it as a reason to hate or undermine Garithos at all.
And now with the updated model, or concept art I am not 95% sure that this guys from the WoW movie was Garithos
https://external-preview.redd.it/VdPqSYMYic7eVTZvlK109kUrfp1b8HMhjXBwkcGI9XY.jpg?auto=webp&s=276242c1d1a5b7031b90b44952bf330acd3dedca
Well technically he is the next in line for succession so he is the legal heir to the Kingdom. Calia was presumed dead, Terenas was killed by Arthas and the nobility was destroyed.
So? If Queen Elizabeth and all the english royal family died now, it doesn't mean that the highest-ranking english general can now become the rightful King of England.
Or better, he could...but that is called a coup d'etat, and a military dictatorship and not a monarchy anymore.
Garithos had no right for anything outside the Lordaeron military.
He was the last high ranking member of the Kingdom of Lordaeron left and he took up the mantle of responsibility despite not really wanting the crown. A true hero doing what is necessary for the good of the realm and its people regardless of what he wanted.
Technically the best course of action for Garithos was going to Stormwind and pledge his new loyalty to Varian and waiting for his orders because since the dissolution of Lordaeron, technically Varian had become his new King and leader since both Lordaeron and Stormwind were still both in the Alliance.
Which is the same thing that the Stormwind Humans did after the death of their King Llane in the First War, going to Lordaeron and forming the Alliance under King Terenas now, pledging themselves to him.
So? If Queen Elizabeth and all the english royal family died now, it doesn't mean that the highest-ranking english general can now become the rightful King of England.
Or better, he could...but that is called a coup d'etat, and a military dictatorship and not a monarchy anymore.
Garithos had no right for anything outside the Lordaeron military.
I'm afraid I must agree with my skinny, almost side-ways posing, pancake eyed elf friend here.
Garithos was a military commander - he was not in line for the throne and can't claim ruler-ship.
This relates very much the same to somebody such as Alleria, who can't claim leadership of Quel'Thalas. The only one who could loosely, was Lyandra Sunstrider, despite her branch of the Sunstrider family having no claims to throne.
The same applies to Mordent Evenshade of the Highborne. He can't claim the mantle of "Prince" or "King" as he's not somebody of royal importance and, as far as I can personally tell, was more of a scholar/high ranking servant to Prince Tortheldrin.
So? If Queen Elizabeth and all the english royal family died now, it doesn't mean that the highest-ranking english general can now become the rightful King of England.
Or better, he could...but that is called a coup d'etat, and a military dictatorship and not a monarchy anymore.
Garithos had no right for anything outside the Lordaeron military.
He is a Grand Marshal and he inherited his Father Lands and titles for Blackwood (I am pretty sure at least) thus making him a possibly candidate the Crown Of Lordaeron. And being one of the last (maybe even the last) High ranking military commander and part of the nobility he is the best shot for a restored Lordaeron at the time.
And perhaps who knows once they find Calia, and flog and kill that traitorous guard for marrying/sleeping her we could have seen Garithos get a better claim to the throne by marring Caila.
But regardless of it being minor he can still be classed as part of the nobility of Lordaeron assuming it is true. Thus from that he has a claim to the throne through the succession tree being almost destroy by all the deaths and missing people from the rest of the nobility.
Technically the best course of action for Garithos was going to Stormwind and pledge his new loyalty to him and waiting for his order because since the dissolution of Lordaeron, technically Varian had become his new King and leader since both Lordaeron and Stormwind were still both in the Alliance.
Maybe if Sylvanas kept her word then we wouldn't have to worry about all that, but alas that short under-sight cost him his life and plunged the Kingdom of Lordaeron into darkness for the last 30 or so years.
He maybe could have reigned in the Scarlet Crusade and with them they could and the Ashbringer they had a good shot at clearing the Scourge and BL out of their lands.
Or maybe they could make it so that Garithos and his troops come from Stormwind and not Lordaeron, actually. It would gave Stormwind a bit more relevance in the Third War since they were pretty much absent there and could also give the Blood Elves a more solid reason to dislike the Stormwindian humans and/or the current Alliance.
Now there's a thought! Interesting idea! Speaking of Garithos, he looks absolutely fantastic.
@Arctur INHUMAN BEASTS!
This relates very much the same to somebody such as Alleria, who can't claim leadership of Quel'Thalas. The only one who could loosely, was Lyandra Sunstrider, despite her branch of the Sunstrider family having no claims to throne.
This. I mean she was literally a Sunstrider member and still she was in a branch of the family that had no authority right to claim the throne of Quel'thalas and dispose of Lor'themar who was appointed by Kael'thas himself.
So if she had not enough power to become Queen of Quel'thalas, a lesser noble like Garithos had absolutely no chance at becoming King of Lordaeron. He was part of the military but instead of trying to get back Lordaeron by himself with some INHUMANE allies he should have just moved to Stormwind where his now new rightful King was.
So if she had not enough power to become Queen of Quel'thalas, a lesser noble like Garithos had absolutely no chance at becoming King of Lordaeron.
Still a noble who is the vassal of the Lordaeron. Still means he can be in the line of succession and his military career only strengthens his claim.
And lastly if he did succeed he would be treated as a hero by everyone, there is a reason why he got most of the Alliances support and not other various Warlords and paramilitary groups.
Still a noble who is the vassal of the Lordaeron. Still means he can be in the line of succession and his military career only strengthens his claim.
And lastly if he did succeed he would be treated as a hero by everyone, there is a reason why he got most of the Alliances support and not other various Warlords and paramilitary groups.
If Garithos had successfully rebuilt Capital City, he would have started the Garithos dynasty, just like the Wrynns started their own dynasty in Stormwind by dethroning the original Arathi bloodline (hence why Lothar, despite being the last of the Arathi bloodline, had no claim to the throne). Right of conquest allows you to start your own dynasty, It really isn't rocket science.
Garithos did reclaim Lordaeron, if just for a few minutes. That's why he demanded that Sylvanas and her vile cretins leave his city. It's a shame that he failed to realize that you NEVER trust a conniving and cowardly female elf, let alone an undead abomination.
04/11/2018 16:50Posted by
Arctur If Garithos had successfully rebuiltLordaeron, he would have started the Garithos dynasty, just like the Wrynns started their own dynasty in Stormwind by dethroning the original Arathi bloodline (hence why Lothar, despite being the last of the Arathi bloodline, had no claim to the throne). Right of conquest allows you to start your own dynasty, It really isn't rocket science.
Garithos did reclaim Lordaeron, if just for a few minutes. That's why he demanded that Sylvanas and her vile cretins leave his city.
Ye that it true, I was just trying to make the point that he does have a claim to the throne through succession because he is part of the nobility.
It's a shame that he failed to realize that you NEVER trust a female elf.
And a Undead one at that, amen.
If Garithos had successfully reclaimed Lordaeron, he would have started the Garithos dynasty, just like the Wrynns started their own dynasty in Stormwind by dethroning the original Arathi bloodline (hence why Lothar, despite being the last of the Arathi bloodline, had no claim to the throne). Right of conquest allows you to start your own dynasty, It really isn't rocket science.
Doesn't work like that, simply by "right of conquest", otherwise Doomhammer could have made himself into the new King of Stormwind, just to spite the Humans even more. And Sylvanas is Queen of the Forsaken, not Lordaeron (as a Human Kingdom).
At best Garithos could have been the "fake king" of a military dictatorship of a new Lordaeron "kingdom". Especially because, you know, all his subjects would have been his own soldiers, as he had next-to-none civilians alongside him in his army (the civilians had already run away south at that point)
Ye that it true, I was just trying to make the point that he does have a claim to the throne through succession because he is part of the nobility.
Agreed. If he took the throne, either by force or marriage, he would have the strongest claim to it, Menethil or not. That's why the Wrynns, despite not being members of the original Arathi bloodline, eventually became the new royal house of Stormwind.