No because not even Lyandra Sunstrider who was a Sunstrider had the right to reclaim the throne because she was from a lesser branch of the family. So if not even a member of the royal family has right to reclaim the throne automatically, what chance has Garithos at all?
This is still relying on the fact that Blood/High Elf successions work the same which they do not, I only entertained the idea, I didn't say it was true.
Lyandra came from a distant part of the family which can't inherit, it is stated she can't. It was never stated that Garithos can't. That is the reason why she wanted Felo'melorn so she can show she is a legitimate heir. Garithos didn't need this because of the line of succession which made him a canidate to the Kingdom of Lordaeron. Lyandra was invalid thus wasn't on the line of succession.
Is this better now? Are you going to finally drop this?
Also Lordaeron has a human Kingdom was officially disbanded by Arthas, so there's nothing to reclaim actually. Garithos could only built a new Kingdom and make himself a dictator of it.
Yes a traitor controlled by the Lich King decided to disband a kingdom he doesn't own because that is how it works right?
Especially because there were only soldiers in Lordaeron at that point. A Kingdom is not a Kingdom without civilian subjects, it's a fascist dictatorship.
Is that why there are Scarlet Crusade Civilians in Lordaeron right? And I can easily see the SC joining Garithos to reclaim their land.
Regardless you don't need to have a civilian population to control a Kingdom, it will be pretty empty but it is still true regardless.
Edit :
why are we arguing for someone who's gonna die again anyway? :p
Meh I'm that bored...
He is a unsong hero of the WoW Universe brought down by all the hate of him being a "racist" when he put aside his own personal differences with said people only to get betrayed by them repeatedly.
Even if I am a Void Elf/Night Elf main I can't help but respect him for what he has done, and what he almost achieved. Regardless of if I am a inhuman or if he liked me I would have died for him to restore order to Lordaeron.
Can we just look forward to Classic WoW and w3 remastered? I know I can't wait to roll my Night Elf Hunter and Orc Warlock in Classic WoW and play the whole of W3 remastered.
Why?
Because I don't follow the hype train for it.
Classic WoW has many flaws which WoW has dealt with over the years. I don't want to go back to dealing with them.
By all means have fun with it, just please don't assume everyone is in the same boat with it.
Is this better now? Are you going to finally drop this?
Yes but because I'm tired of talking about it since he's gonna die and be irrilevant anyway, not because I've accepted your arguments about your Garithos fanfic. We can say he was going to be King or not but it's all headcanon anyway, and not going to happen either in this new edition of the game.
Even if I am a Void Elf/Night Elf main I can't help but respect him for what he has done, and what he almost achieved. Regardless of if I am a inhuman or if he liked me I would have died for him.
I see, you are a walking inconsistency just like your arguments :P
Also Garithos would NOT join the current Alliance at all, it's full of inhumane beasts (especially Void Elves who are former Blood Elves) so he wouldn't be an Alliance hero so why are you even dreaming about it. I don't get, it's like a commie saying the USA are awesome.
Classic WoW has many flaws which WoW has dealt with over the years. I don't want to go back to dealing with them.
True, but on the bright side, in Classic I will have the chance to see once more Stormwind City as it is supposed to be. Pure. Noble. Perfect. Human. No longer tainted by a swarm of worthless refugee scum littering her beautiful and romantic streets. And obviously the lesser subhuman garbage confined to their designated ghettos, as it should be.
Nowadays, Stormwind is chaotic, it has lost order, purpose, a clear direction. What a shame.
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Yes but because I'm tired of talking about it since he's gonna die and be irrilevant anyway, not because I've accepted your arguments about your Garithos fanfic. We can say he was going to be King or not but it's all headcanon anyway, and not going to happen either in this new edition of the game.
It isn't head canon, he would have been king if Sylvanas didn't betray him and he had a claim on the Kingdom.
You are coming up with your own headcanon to say this isn't the case which I have proved you otherwise, and you come up with your failed strawmans as a last ditch effort to prove me wrong which ultimately failed.
And he is still alive in our hearts, and we can always pray for Lightforged Garithos. If you can raise Derek after what 20 years being burnt alive on a boat then they can do it with Garithos easily.
I see, you are a walking inconsistency just like your arguments :P
How so? At what part am I inconsistent in my arguments? I can like a character even if he doesn't like me back you know.
Also Garithos would NOT join the current Alliance at all, it's full of inhumane beasts (especially Void Elves who are former Blood Elves) so he wouldn't be an Alliance hero so why are you even dreaming about it. I don't get, it's like a commie saying the USA are awesome.
He can put his personally bias's aside for the good of the realm and his people/soldiers, which is why he allied with Sylvanas in the first place. It is for the good of the realm.
And if push comes to shove he can always just have limited access from all non-human races. Not hard to do really.
Frozenshadow, Consider yourself reported for liking Garithos as a character and wishing that his character arc is improved in Warcraft III: Reforged. You are so toxic. You are NOT allowed to like Garithos, is that clear? And your wishes will never become reality. Period. Deal with it.
True, but on the bright side, in Classic I will have the chance to see Stormwind City as it is supposed to be. Pure. Noble. Perfect. Human
True, I do miss the park.
In current retail we have a rebuilt Stromgarde. Birthplace of Human Civilisation, taken back by Humanity and it's rightful ruler. So there is a bit of a trade off there.
Plus we have Kul Tiras back in the fold as well. More Humans with another Human city. So retail has the benefit of having more restored Human Kingdoms compared to Classic.
Frozenshadow, Consider yourself reported for liking Garithos as a character and wishing that he is elaborated in Warcraft III: Reforged. You are so toxic.
I am not saying he can't like Garithos, just saying there's no proof he was going to be the legitimate King since we know nothing about the laws of Lordaeron who aren't like the RL one. That's not going to change, like, ever, despite the arguments being spinned around here.
Also I proved you wrong about a possible Arathi King of Stormwind as well. You can't prove that...
It is for the good of the realm.
Then why didn't he wait for reinforcements from Stormwind or Kul Tiras? Attacking the Scourge with inhumane allies is stupid as heck you know, of course he failed.
04/11/2018 18:51Posted by
Arctur And your wishes will never become reality. Period. Deal with it.
Well, that's correct. They ain't going to bring back someone eaten by Ghouls..to be fair I dislike what happened to Derek as well but you could explain it with the fact that the flames of the Red dragons have some healing properties after all as seen in the Wrathgate scenario for Bolvar.
04/11/2018 18:51Posted by
Arctur Frozenshadow, Consider yourself reported for liking Garithos as a character and wishing that his character arc is improved in Warcraft III: Reforged. You are so toxic. You are NOT allowed to like Garithos, is that clear? And your wishes will never become reality. Period. Deal with it.
Buh muh Garithos.
Also there is nothing to be improved upon, Garithos was a good character. My only wish was that he was successful and at this point killed Kael. He would have stopped him before he turned fully evil and wreak havoc on Azeroth and almost summon Kil'jaeden to this world.
Then why didn't he wait for reinforcements from Stormwind or Kul Tiras? Attacking the Scourge with inhumane allies is stupid as heck you know, of course he failed.
I know, it was a fatal error for him to trust Sylvanas, she gave him his word and she betrayed him, *
sigh. He was not meant for greatness...
I am not saying he can't like Garithos, just saying there's no proof he was going to be the legiticamte King since we know nothing about the laws of Lordaeron who aren't like the RL one. That's not going to change, like, ever, despite the arguments being spinned around here.
There is nothing to say he wouldn't, there is more proof on my side thus I am going with it. You are fighting a uphill battle and failing. Give me something decent to go off saying he wouldn't rather than strawmans (which were further disproved upon pushing me to answer them). Until then he would have been King and he had a claim on the throne due to succession.
Also I proved you wrong about a possible Arathi King of Stormwind as well. You can't prove that...
Didn't say that myself so not my problem.
He would have stopped him before he turned fully evil and wreak havoc on Azeroth and almost summon Kil'jaeden to this world.
Hm? He couldn't kill a Mage so powerful that he even stalemated DK Arthas with Frostmourne in Icecrown near the Frozen Throne. Also there was Lady Vashj with him..
Hm? He couldn't kill a Mage so powerful that he even stalemated DK Arthas with Frostmourne in Icecrown near the Frozen Throne. Also there was Lady Vashj with him..
Garithos imprisoned him and would have executed him, otherwise he could have let him starve in the Dalaran prison with the rest of them traitors for working with the Naga.
That is what I meant by "would have stopped him", not that he would beat him in a duel... Well, that is another debate in itself.
Lady Vashj just manipulated Kael and used him for her own gains and to help Illidan. A petty really.
Give me something decent to go off saying he wouldn't
You are the one trying to claim that he could become King of the (New) Lordaeron by the rightful law of succession of the (former) Kingdom of Lordaeron.
Burden of proof is on since you make that claim and I'm only contesting it. Show me the laws of succession of Lordaeron (but I guess even Stormwind will do...) and then we can talk...
traitors for working with the Naga.
For your own survival, I find betrayal acceptable.
This is actually not even taking into consideration a Blizzard employer saying that Garithos and the Alliance were the ones who betrayed the Blood Elves...well it depends from the way of your own point of view, that one I can concede.
You are the one trying to claim that he could become King of the (New) Lordaeron by the rightful law of succession of the (former) Kingdom of Lordaeron.
Burden of proof is on since you make that claim and I'm only contesting it. Show me the laws of succession of Lordaeron (but I guess even Stormwind will do...) and then we can talk...
You allowed me to use Stormwind, that is your downfall.
If Anduin dies then Genn stated that the nobility would be in chaos about who'll inherit the Kingdom, which is why Genn proposes Anduin to marry Tess.
What does this say? That the heir to the Kingdom of Stormwind is someone in the nobility.
Now apply that to Lordaeron. The nobility of Lordaeron has been shattered and it is stated that Garithos is one of the last, if not the last leaders left in Lordaeron. Lastly he is the (Baron, Count/Vassal I guess?) of Blackwood giving him the nobility status.
This ultimately means that Garithos is well within the line of succession to the Kingdom of Lordaeron, he has the support from the Alliance as well recognizing he is the last bastions of Lordaeron's government left in the region, he is the last high ranking military member of the army and has the full support of his army.
Explain this one off please
For your own survival, I find betrayal acceptable.
Would have gladly gave my life for him, nor would you see me betraying my own kind by working with the Naga. They are traitors and should be dealt with accordingly. Especially since we know the events of what has transpired from his treachery and what it cost everyone.
I would have gone my own way if Kael did this if I was in his army, hell probably would have informed Garithos myself of him being a traitor.
This is actually not even taking into consideration a Blizzard employer saying that Garithos and the Alliance were the ones who betrayed the Blood Elves...well it depends from the way of your own point of view, that one I can concede.
Puahahahah don't make me laugh, the only reason us Elves are alive is because of the Humans help in the Troll and Second wars. The Blood Elves betrayed the Alliance by leaving them after apparently "not help Quel'thalas enough" in the second war even we shut off our capital to save ourselves and leave the Alliance to die.
It is also interesting to note how the Trollbanes rose to power. Lord Ignaeus Trollbane was the second-in-command of King Thoradin the Great, the most capable General in the service of King Thoradin, but after Thoradin's death and the departure of the last of his line, Thoradin oversaw the reconstruction of Strom's crumbling infrastructure and renamed the city to "Stromgarde". Because of these noble actions, Thoradin, while not being a member of the royal family, ascended to the throne and House Trollbane became the new Stromic royal house.
So, Yes, if Garithos had rebuilt Lordaeron, and if Calia were not interested in Lordaeron anymore, he would ascend to the throne and begin the Garithos dynasty of Lordaeron.