Speak for yourself. The servers are already ruined. It’s not a single player game.
And you call yourself hardcore 
If you answered me.
- I am speaking for myself and from personal experience.
- The servers are rúined for us all? You please speak for yourself.
- No, it’s not a single player game - why you have to tell us all the time, each time you say something, I don’t know.
WoW is a multiplayer game, one that can be played in two basically different ways PvP and PvE.
And what I’m trying to say is, that IF you merge these two, and do not let the PvE segment TOTALLY opt out of PvP, then you ruin the game for this segment. As it is /was unflagging for PvP did stop if you attakked other faction - which is fair enough - but it is not fair when it also tags you for PvP if you did an AoE on a mob, and a flagged player deliberately ran into this. Many players exploited this and it would – as it did then – make me not play for days on end.
I’m not one for levelling solely via dungeons.
- Hardcore? Who, me? I play for fun, not for corpseruns
Let me remind you of the topic title and the current situation on majority of servers.
I don’t see you coming with any solutions other than upholding the situation we are in.
Obviously I need to repeat that this is not a single player game when you obviously prefer dead servers for a peace of mind or whatever.
I have wanted what you want since XRZ. Where I can’t get a bloody rest anywhere because of XRZ. Now that I have experienced what I used to desire, I am hands down completely convinced that this was all along a ridiculous desire as entire MMO aspect is removed and there’s none to measure yourself up against. The gold that I harvest is useless and there are none to show my shiny trinkets to. None to accomplish even greater things with, with the tools gathered.
That is where HW is at now. That rare mob with a blue drop is “always” up, it should be a dream come true for one like me, but alas. There are no guildies to give this blue to, no randoms and putting it on AH is a waste. I vendored 10 boe blues yesterday, disenchanted 5. Have not even been hunting them.
The server is in ruins, it can be restored to glory, but nuh uh muh inability for self-control and worlds end if pvp happened 2 minutes once a month.
Why do you think I have never been trolled or provoked into pvp. Because you have to search far and wide for someone that loathe the pvp and ganking aspect more.
You want the world to adapt to you. That’s not how things work.
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Hey.
i’m playing at Pyrewood Village and we’ve 150-200 players in the evening.
Have 2 ZG, 2 aq20, MC, BWL per week.
That’s what i’ve saw. People’d prepare their characters and we’ll go to AQ40/Naxx then.
People also’re going to classic dungeons (not only Scholo/Strat).
If you really interested in healthy servers you can come here to PVE and get pleasure now.
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It’s just that it’s either a personal reset on a 3 year old server or a fee of over 200 euro.
Unacceptable.
My solution is the same as always:
Now who wants the game to conform to them?
^ This
At least everyone in my classic friend group expected Era servers to be dead on arrival and didn’t buy a clone, we’re having fun in TBC waiting for Classic fresh.
Alesh, I know you may think at this point all PvP players are just living “scum”, but we aren’t.
Now that’s your assumption too. You likely got it after P2 and I can’t blame you for that, but now it feels like you are treating any pvp player almost like a disease.
I can say this since, despite not being much into BGs and in general pvp myself, I still love the random wpvp that happens in place like Kargath and so on.
On a side note, I originally transferred my character from Mograine during P2 but not because I hated wpvp, on the contrary, I found that the horde side there was heavily lacking if not completely missing wpwp hardcore guilds, and because of that WE WERE FARMED by allys constantly and everywhere. All of this despite the 50/50% ratio of both factions back then, and that was insane.
It’s not the matter of labeling “PvP realms” as places where you totally can’t play/enjoy the game itself, it’s the lack of those pvp oriented players/guild on your faction that can make the whole situation a living hell.
I’m grateful that my RPPvP realm (Zandalar), we had those kind of people and I loved that experience, even if the population ratio has always been 60/40% in favor of the ally side, but still we’ve NEVER have been farmed here, even if we are on a PvP realm!
As Kyru already told you, there’s literally no way you can be flagged for pvp in your realm unless you want to enable it on purpose.
Sure, there may be trolling andys around from time to time but would you choose to not having that but also literally no dungeon/quests runs cause the server is “dead”, or can you maybe ignore those attention seekers but still have your normal dungeon/quests runs since there is a fair amount of players around still?
Also, even if that happens, if they are already flagged for pvp just call your guild mates or write in LookingForGroup that you are constantly being harassed by him.
I can assure you there will be someone who’ll come help you cause even on PvE realms there are pvp oriented players that for commitments can’t pvp all day long but for that reason they still don’t want to be camped during those “free time” hours, even that 60 year old grand-dad can be one of them for what we know.
My point is that what blizzard had not done so far to fix issues, the community took upon itself that task. We just need to be more creative to solve those.
In a PvE you are safer compared to the PvP ones and you even have less of those “issues” imho.
Sorry but no. On Nost and on any pservers we were limited by the server physical location for obvious reasons and we were all EU/US/OCE etc etc… on one cluster but we never had those “misunderstanding” issues.
You are saying that we can’t be all together just because a German player can’t speak to a Russian player and that’s false.
I can’t speak any of those myself (I’m Italian) but still I’m writing this in english even if it’s not my mother tongue and you are clearly understanding what I’m writing now. That’s the solution.
You can still talk to your guildmates and they can as well.
And if they want to stay in a german/russian oriented guild cause they don’t know english (I doubt it in 2021 but still), well they can and nothing will change to you. I don’t see an issue here.
That’s another assumption of yours tbh, as I explained my point above.
I don’t see why you have to stick to the reasoning of “If this has gone bad for me, it will 100% happen to everyone else”.
Coulnd’t have said better tbh
Well it’s either that or the realms dying because not even 3 people are online during peaktime. You want to gatekeep the whole thing just because you don’t feel safer enough in the open world where literally no one then would be able to physically obscure your vision from clicking on a mining node. “Just for the sake of NOT seeing a couple more toons in Orgrimmar or Stormwind”.
You should be more realistic now.
Apart for the obvious utterly rare trolls needing some free kills from those opposite faction brain-afk players, you are not considering the fact that PvP players need the PvE ones BUT THOSE OF THEIR OWN FACTION for quests! Raids! To have more people to trade with! Even just to talk about why they are sad their puppy died and want to chill out a bit talking about stuff with someone while playing the game they enjoy.
How could they do that if the realm is a desert then?
We are all in this situation now and can’t afford to be picky just because reasons.
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I think merge all the PvP servers, merge all the PvE servers, create a fresh, seasonal server that resets every 6 months or something. Then it’ll be three servers in total, two of which are museum “my character is safe here until the end of the world” servers, one just keeps re-starting which satisfies players who play mainly for the journey … and on that server you can cope over a character to one of the museum servers for a fee before it restarts… and every time it restarts there could be a new change to the seasonal server to spice things up… imagine things like number changes to raid bosses for example. I guess the seasonal server should be PvP since that seems to be the more popular server choice overall… could also do two seasonal servers, but gotta be careful not to add too many so you don’t end up with the mess that is classic era right now (way too many servers that are all low population, even if some of them are “merged” it looks bad and off-putting for a new player seeing this)
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Who asked for that? You guys clearly overthink it. I think the majority of the ppl who want fresh classic servers expected that since TBC hits, Blizzard woud realese fresh classic servers in addition to the ones that upgrades to TBC. What happened is ppl who farmed for thunderfury or did rank 14 (aq mount etc.) wanted to keep their progress. While I admit the work these ppl put in, I must say these ppl now expect new players to glare at them for their achievements. Some of them say “do reroll projects” “U only miss out the AQ opening event”. What about pvp ranking, leveling, low level dungeons, scourge invasion and whatsoever?
For these ppl Blizzard created museum servers. I think these very museum servers broke the continuity of the game. The existence of these servers lessens the chance for fresh classic servers what ppl expected for.
Atm there is like 43 era servers in EU, most of which are ghosttown. It seems a financial waste. (Maybe converse half of it to fresh?)
I think ppl wanted some fresh servers in classic in previsious state when a new expansion hits. Like the following scenarion: TBC hits, release some fresh classic as well. Some fresh TBC + some fresh Classic when wotlk hits and so on. Why woud we want servers with 6 month duration? Just release some as they were in the first place… (6 phase 1,5-2 years duration, it was good as it is) the majority of the problems ware generated by players like the world buff thing, as I recall the raid leaders and guild masters demanded the buffs, even for raids that had been on farm for couple of weeks. So what happened? ppl started to adress blizzard with this issue and they implemented cronoboon… LOL. Woud not be easier to discuss this problem within the raid/guilds? So like "Boss why do I need to keep my cry of the dragonslayer for BWL which we have on farm like for 6 weeks now?’’
And finally, do we really have to wait an another 15 years to start a new session of classic?
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There were plenty of guilds not following the meta of world buffs and left it up to each and every player to fetch them if they wanted to.
The problem is the pressure other players feel when vanishing from the output meters.
It’s an e-peen thing derived from retail zoom where players that give minimum effort expect to be equal with maximum effort.
There are players quitting raid teams because they cannot top the damage meter.
It’s so out of this world I don’t really have a comment on the scale of ludicrousy.
Now with naxx and consumables, that sure was another thing. After most people had quit anyway. It’s in the nature of rushing all content and having your raid team not even close to BIS, and making up for it with consumables. Because omg i can’t finish this game fast enough so i can go offline.
I don’t expect you to glare at my epics. I expect you to come along and get your own epics so that we are on level, but as you know our GM have called MC off cause he now have his TF and his GF have 55 healing recipe.
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Not true. Make AoE to hit mobs, stealthed opposite faction steps into it. BAM you’re dead.
Why do you lie? Even now 9.00 am server time there’s more than 10 times that amount online and playing.
So you enable it on purpose by doing aoe and paying minimal attention to your surroundings. How many classes does this apply to anyway? Oh a whole 1, where it’s not even needed and where thousands of players have been, and are doing it just fine without non existant problems that you are otherwise trying to create.
Why are you unable to realize that there are more than a handful of servers and they don’t all share the population?
Do tell. How many is online on HW alliance now. I dear you.
I’m just telling that there IS a way for PvP’ers to make you attack them. A level 60 rogue iin stealth is iunvisibel to a lower level and can - and do jump into your AoE. Also other faction crowding you for long times, trying to jumpo between you and your mob. I’m not saying it happens all the time, but often enough. And if you read the answeers from other, I’m not the only one having this happen. There IS a difference in mentality.
At 9.00 am 3 on HW and 33 on the PvE cluster. 18 on tthe one PvP where I have a toon. I can’t check now. All ally-side.
I don’t know how to clearly break it all down to you. Your issue is already a thing on pve realms. Self explanatory it is that the higher the population the higher the chance of this occurring. For this reason you want to uphold dead servers. Just that, it’s not that simple. I have already told you. That one troll in a million that go to grief you instead of sneaking up on already pvp enabled players is nowhere near a reason enough to uphold dead servers so that you and a handful others can play single player.
It is not a single player game. And you are supposed to adapt to the world. Your not grinding guards in Orgrimmar are you? Of course your not, so you are able to adapt.
What healthy numbers you represent. IDK what cluster Zandalar is in so cannot comment on that. Doesn’t matter. The numbers speak clearly. Action is required 3 weeks ago. Props to you for having guts to report it.
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Clusters:
I do not expect healthy numbers at nine in the morning on a Tuesday. Nowhere! Just to tell Turøk that he was wrong with 3 
What does this mean? There are four clusters? They do not share? I know.
I will any time figth an clamour for the two PvP clusters to be merged into one. This means I go for THREE clusters.
- One PvP including the PvP-RP, where the population seems to want this merge – at least noone have protested.
- One PvE – already there.
- One RP – already there as well.
As a suppelment I advocate fro free transfer in all directions, so that those hwo want out or in on another cluster can do so.
And you keeop repeting that this is not a single player game, I keep agreeing, but I also keep on telling you that playing together with other is more – and for me other – than PvP (Which I do not do! I have 0 (zero) honourable kills from all of Classic and on all my toons together).
Zandalar is not on that list, neither is HW. Both should be.
We shouldn’t have to dwell further into population numbers. The reports are all over the place. Just because there is one cluster that are decently active and are growing as people are moving over there, doesn’t mean rest of the servers should be left dead.
The problem is only increasing if people are paying to transfer, meaning the realms that are left behind will be true ghost villages. The realms that are not connected are dropping in population every day. One could think that soon blizz will just delete the dead realms and give the remaining players a big middle finger for not paying to transfer. Yes I’m willing to form a theory that blizz is intentionally ignoring our requests for sake of profit. Well, my sub is already canceled and wont be renewed unless this all is resolved.
We can agree upon your view upon how clusters could be, with every detail included. Just that it’s not happening and the game is bleeding players. Our variants of proposed clusters are near identical in outcome, though I find it hard to believe RP will be in a good spot. And preference is naturally to keep the realm intact, just connect it to a cluster. It’s not like I want to move, but I will have to. Why can’t the RP be connected with PVE?
You have 0 HK’s on all your toons all through classic… sounds like you don’t have even near the issues with pvp as you previously have made it sound like.
Why don’t you take a hunter into AV and show what you think of players attacking you. Oh wait, AV actually requires players.
No, they are not merged - ergo not on the list.
I feel sorry for you. But the numbers have been almost the same each time I’ve been looking – only HW loosing a bit. It might actually be fine to merge into TWO clusters one PvP and one PvE.
As I said. I DO NOT do PvP. Lots have killed me. When I’m attacked I do /sit and wait it out. I’ve not been to a BG in Classic.
lol its telling me to consider replying to more people
Yeah it’s got a point, were quite through now. I’m happy with our outcome.
Just I’m a little confused. Someone says there are nearly 50 realms, yet we only see some of them. Assume its localized language servers. For that I have to say “English” servers is not really a thing with dutch and scandinavian, even chinese and russian. If we can pvp against russians in bg we sure can be on same server as them. Now don’t get me wrong, I would not prefer this. Just, whatever it takes for a healthy game. And honestly it’s quite inevitable that we will get there, just look at retail. Uhm yes classic english BG’s are matched against russians. It’s a thrill every time.
This just explain why the reports of dead servers are so broad, despite “new connections” The abandoned servers need attention 3 weeks ago.
It is crucial. There are many more potential players, but they are met with a dead server and think it’s game over. How blizz can’t see this loss of income I don’t understand.
I land my number on 60. 60 players “online” is what a faction needs to hinder mass exodus. Only one cluster reaches this numbers, and this cluster come out as a clear go to making the case even worse than it was for other realms. The new connections was poorly thought through. Seems they spent less than 5 minutes on it.
Also. How messed up is it that some realms are lucky and get connected while other realms have to pay hundreds of euros each to join life. It’s like real world with priviliged boomers. The original boomers that is, the only boomers. Damn zoomers.
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