An interesting stance coming from the person that’s just wasted god-knows-how-long arguing with people about dual spec, whilst not even reading what they’re arguing about.
Mathematically unlikely. 1k as a one-time payment is actually a lot less gold being removed from the game than respec costs; which would cost 300g per week for somebody that raids 3 times a week.
Dual spec at 10k? Sure, 30 weeks worth of respecs: Good gold sink. 1k? not so much.
As I’ll be playing Arms/fury for raiding, I’d personally prefer dual-spec to be in the game. But again, as I said earlier: I’m not going to be one of the people crying that raid supplies and enchanting materials cost too much.
And with that Snailboy, I’m going to bed. Have fun looking at my post but not reading a single word of it; again.
I don’t understand what you people are on about. Nobody is going to respec that much that it’s going to have any significant effect on the game’s economy. It’s insane to think that way to be honest.
This got us wotlk, the most popular and probably the Best version of wow released ever. Please dont join this freak whos loving naked draenei in his 30,thank you
Whoa baby, there’s been so much drama posted in just the last hour that I’ve already made popcorn.
This talk about gold sinks. I don’t think respeccing is a gold sink, simply because it’s nowhere near as widespread as some would have you believe. If you added all my respecs on all chars (about 40 over the years?) since I started playing in 2007, I don’t think you’d even get to 300 gold. I’m definitely not alone in this.
I see someone is apparently willing to grind 300 gold a week. Well, that’s fine, I don’t judge what people do with their game time. Though you’ll find most people won’t bother.
However, if they had the option to grind 1k upfront to be able to switch, suddenly they would bother. You’d find probably a million gold leaving the game very shortly. Is that a good enough gold sink for you (?)
Look, you don’t need the best/optimal/meta spec for all the different situations.
Me for example, i will most likely run around in a PvP spec even in PvE situations. It works for me because i don’t care about speedrunning, parses, dmg meter comparison or whatever way pve players compare their small wieners.
What you need to understand is that in WoTLK Blizzard worked with the idea of, and i’m paraphrasing. “Bring the player not the class”.
You would probably point out that the class doesn’t change . And i’d be forced to agree with you. With Dual-Spec the dynamic changes were a player brings 2 specs.
This means that classes that can preform 2 roles “bring both of those to a raid”.
Why is that the problem? It’s because it’s just not congruent with TBC. Where you brought the: player, class and spec.
I really do get the problem that keeping people with one specs creates an issue in highly competitive PvP as well as PvE solo gameplay. I really do.
If and I do mean if dual spec was to go in the game someone would need to find a way of keeping the idea, player brings themselves, class and spec. Not spec(s).
This is why ideas of making it (largely prohibitively) expensive, inconvenient cooldowns and restrictive to arena matches only are being made.
While I don’t agree with “the otherside” i can at least see why it’s being suggested.
Sure, I understand that, but TBC really wasn’t that different in this approach.
It’s clear after Vanilla, Blizz was moving away from specific player/class/role combination of Vanilla. You now had tier sets for all specs, the game was much more alt-friendly than Vanilla was, etc. etc. More and more people were collecting offspec gear, bringing alts to dungeons/raids, and so on. But the main driving force was the player.
You didn’t have to bring x tanks (4 Horsemen), or y priests (Razuvious), like you had to for Naxxramas.
You could have one player doing multiple things, though normally it would be one at a time. Your Joe Bloggs wasn’t limited to being just “the tank” anymore. He could be “the tank with a dps alt” now. He could probably join some raids on his alt for fun, if it wasn’t dragging the group down. His class/role/spec identity still existed, it was just expanded. And if Joe got ill and had to drop out, you could have a John Doe fill in on a different char, because he’s “the dps with a tank alt”.
DS fits into that perfectly. It really wouldn’t be any different to bringing an alt. Joe might probably become “the tank with dps offspec”. He could still choose not unlock DS though, and be “the tank with the dps alt” exactly as before. I don’t think his spec/role identity would be shattered all of a sudden. It’s still pretty clear to me what he’s bringing to the table. He would just have 1 more option.
Only in no-life parsing guilds you might be required/expected to bring 2 specs, or multiple alts. Though who cares about no-life parsing guilds? They do their own thing.
DS didn’t make it into TBC probably because no one thought of it at the time, and by the time someone did, Wrath was already in development. But it could have easily been added in something like patch 2.3, and it would have made perfect sense.
I’m not sure about the boost. Imo it will make more players play TBC, which is also a good thing, and not having a lvling boost did not really stop bots in classic, did it?
I am not even sure if it would be worth for bots to buy a boost to 58, because I am not aware of how they level their chars.
Dual talent is a gold sink yes, but many people just dont bother with it, because it is tedious, and might also incentive the purchase of gold, because people cba to respec everytime they go farming.
LFG like the dungeon browser? Yes! LFG system like the retail tool rn? No, that would be a welcome change.
I understand why they did it, though I’m generally against using real-money to get benefits in a game. I think simply launching a fresh server or two along with progression servers would be a better option.
Spot on. Though if they had an option to grind 1k to be able to switch freely, suddenly they would bother with the grind.
The way I understand it is they’re trying to improve the TBC dungeon tool to be more useful, but auto-matching and dungeon teleports are not going to happen. Well, that doesn’t sound too bad at all to me.
There are some very poor arguments against duel spec
Gold sink is a very bad argument the bots don’t care about respec costs who are actually the problem same with someone who just raid logs. If anything the gold cost is more of a detterant making pvpers to stop participating in pve activity and vice versa a very small number of people will actually spend a large amount weekly usually the guys who wow is their life with no job playing 8 hours per day who can farm all day will be the only ones actually losing gold. Most players will just pve in PvP specs or just won’t bother.
Guilds will funnel items for two specs, no main spec over offspec while I agree this will happen but this just underlines a bigger issue giving players control of loot which will be a problem with or without duel spec as players with power will almost always funnel loot to the “core”
Min/max swapping specs via raids and summoning if you have to swap in a city. Really? The amount of time that would waste makes it not worth it hardcore guilds would just have raid spec alts outside the raid anyways duel spec won’t change that from happening and if you think guilds who can’t down bosses normally will be able to by forcing players to play offspec which they might not be as good at not every DPS is a good healer not every healer is a Good dps etc
The ah prices will be high with duel spec. There is no duel spec in classic wow are prices inflated in auction house? Yes is the answer.just look at all the bots.
Duel spec is an upgrade. Haha it’s nothing more than a convience saves time farming dailys which you would spend that time doing something more productive or fun I mean I may as well just stay in PvP spec and not roll a tank in a dungeon and go outside and paint my fence and will have just much fun as the person who farms the gold doing boring daily quests for respecs and at least I would have done something productive
The problem is that D/S changes the dynamic of the game.
This is to say
At the moment if you chose to play X spec you are X spec. When you come to a or a dungeon you bring X spec.
With dual spec you bring 2 specs everywhere you go. How is this different from someone who just chooses to level 2 characters of the same class and run them on different specs? You need to thing big, really big, server wide, meta wide. It becomes an expectation that everyone has dual spec. You character becomes more aptable, as does everyone else; the group does too, probably magnified.
A problem that would require you to go through a series of social interactions is now resolved by a 1k investment, a button press and possibly some bag slots.
The identity of Vanilla and TBC is it has a strong co-operative requirement. Your tank left in the middle of dungeon? Well you better look at your friend list for another, now you owe him one. Maybe he’ll message you to repay the favour.
There’s also thinking really big, meta big. D/S will almost certainty lead to guilds posting looking for an X with a Y off-spec. Oh and that off-spec better be geared.
That’s only a couple of issues that people don’t want. And i’m sure you’re gonna a say “hey, those don’t bother me, they might even be positive.” - But they’re not positive for the people who are DS/No
It does not. It’s such a nonsense argument that I firmly believe you just want to be against it to be special or for whatever reason. It does absolutely nothing to the “dynamic” of the game. Not a single bit.
I never use the forums, ever, i played wow since day one in feb 2004… i remember my time very well through the expansions.
I also remember who ruined the game i love. The people who always want to add crap for their convenience. It is that simple. The people who are happy with the game, just play the game and those who are never happy just constantly ask for stuff. I really hope blizz know this, this time round.
man, they already added paid 58 boosts for those who don’t like leveling in classic zones.
sadly we’re past not adding stuff that people you described desire.