this individual bought all of the fishing poles and took all of the fish and now has the audacity to wear his smelly fishy trophy all over him instead of clothes while arguing with us about ethic fishing
But we know he just has a wierd fetish and many $
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1x Veiled Crystal is not destroying the market, I am not listing a stack…so, I do not see the justification in having to keep relisting my 1x Veiled Crystal, simply because you are selling a stack and someone else undercut the standard listing…as I stated, I start by listing at the current price, it’s only when it fails to sell that I get annoyed…and gut the price.
AH Pros can buy my 1x Veiled Crystal at the lower price and add it to their stack, banking the extra profit margin…see how that works?
They seem to be focusing on the activity of multiboxing itself, rather they the bad thing that the multiboxer did. They say, ban multiboxing, multiboxers are cheaters, “We pay for multiboxers”.
Yes, exactly. There is a big difference between banning something completely, such as possessing nuclear weapons, and controlling regulating and moderating, such as permitting the possession of firearms after obtaining a license.
So for kitchen knives, yes you can have kitchen knives, in the kitchen, but not in school or on the street, you don’t need to have them in school or the street, but you can have them in the kitchen, this makes sense.
So you for multiboxing, yes you can have multiboxing, but don’t do bad things with multiboxing.
That seems better than “we pay for multiboxers”, “multiboxers are cheaters”, “multiboxers are scum”, “ban multiboxing”, “multiboxing is ruining the economy”
Yup, Supermarket ‘price wars’ are deffo fake news… Oh, wait…
You are making an arbitrary claim without actually proving anything and then you are using that unproven claim to make another unproven claim.
How about that lol
That’s a false analogy sir 
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it’s not multiboxing that causes problems it’s people, who happen to be multiboxing when they cause problems.
You can multibox without causing problems and banning multiboxing will not stop people from causing problems.
Multiboxing is fine and I do like it and multiboxing is not the cause of the problems that you have. I admit, the one or two of the problems would not be able to exist if multiboxing was not possible. However I feel that removing multiboxing is the wrong way to deal with those problems that you have, and yes, because I like doing it, so I would prefer you find another way to deal with your problems without taking away from me, and others, an activity that we enjoy. I wont cry if multiboxing is banned though, I actually like world of warcraft, it is only through a deep appreciation of the game that I am motivated to multibox.
It just seems that you are failing to make the distinction between multiboxing and the things that you have a problem with, I think that if you knew what multiboxing was, you would be able to make that distinction.
Again, you confuse multiboxing with the problems that people cause when they happen to be multiboxing. You’re solution is to prevent multiboxing, my solution is to prevent people from causing problems.
You clearly know little about multiboxing, you have not stated whether you have tried it or not.
If you say so, I’ll trust you on that since I’ve got no idea what a false analogy is, I tried looking it up, what I was trying to say, is that multiboxing itself is not the problem that you have, it is the things that people do when they multibox that is the problem you have. You can solve your problem by taking the multiboxing away, that is true, but it wasn’t multiboxing that hurt you, it was a person.
Nah Chef 
People are only able to cause a specific problem because they have access to a specific system therefore that specific problem is caused by a specific system, not by the people.
If anything people are the indirect problem.
Yes, you can but allowing multi-boxing to even a one person who will - hypothetically - never cause any problem will automatically be a gateway to all the people who will use multi-boxing in a negative way.
That’s why multi-boxing can’t be judged from the perspective of a single person and need to be judged from a global perspective which ignores what specific people want and focuses on the greater good of the whole society.
It can’t be fine if it’s legally used to destabilize the in-game economy and ruin people’s experience.
Go ahead and tell me what I don’t know because you seem to be very sure that I don’t know something
No, I don’t 
Preventing people from causing a problem is pretty much impossible without very restrictive and overly negative interference with game design.
You don’t realize the ramification of what you are suggesting 
Anyway, this is why I said that you are a selfish person because you clearly don’t understand that often greater good of a group/society is more important than what a minority in that group/society wants.
Your whole argument is “me me me me me” 
How do you know if I know little about multi-boxing if you don’t know if I tried multi-boxing?
If anything you just have proven to not know anything about logical thinking but w/e
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I’m not trying to win arguments on the internet. I’m not saying you are either.
You win. I lose.
I never said there arent price wars.
But at some point, the price wars is ‘‘over’’ because they cant go any lower.
The WoW economy is so screwed people keep undercutting. Which is a bad thing.
Yesterday i literally bought 1200 pieces of some BFA meat, for 4 silver each.
Where the vendor price for 1 piece of meat is 6 silver and 25 copper.
So i made 20 gold out of that or something.
Yep, that level of undercutting is nuts… I sent a message to another player in WotLK who kept listing stacks of ore for less than the NPC sell value on the AH, pointing out he was losing quite a lot of gold…he thanked me, for some bizarre reason he hadn’t realised the mistake he was making.
Problem is, some mats now have very little NPC value, meaning the AH price for stacks can go much lower than it did in some previous Xpacs.
I never said you yourself are screwing over the AH.
I simply mentioned that many people keep undercutting because they think thats the only way to sell products.
And a lot of people, you included arent patient enough to wait for their stuff to sell.
Adding even more undercutting to the market which we dont want.
And AH pros picking up your 1 crystal is all fine.
But AH pros only have a ‘‘living’’ because people undercut so aggressively, like 5-10 gold per item or whatever.
Than there is profit for the AH pros.
If we would undercut less, or even stop it at all.
AH pros are out of business pretty fast, because they make money by flipping goods that are put up to cheap. (which will become a lot less)
So keep defending undercutting and how you handle the AH, because many people are helping the ingame economy to the sorry state it is currently in.
People need to understand, that they are in a position of power.
And if you use that power properly you will end up with a better economy.
So you would sell herbs / ore or gems for a fair price so:
A: we can make money as seller
B: the buyer pays the price because its fair
C: undercutting is gone because there wont be a reason to do so.
But thats all in a perfect world.
But people want to make 2000 gold in 5 minutes instead of making 3000 gold in 1 hour by selling the same goods.
‘We’ is who is relisting large stacks and undercutting my 1x Veiled Crystal at the existing price.
You actually need to QQ at your fellow AH Pros and Multiboxers who are churning low prices.
This fox’s 1x Veiled Crystal ain’t to blame for major market movements… and I certainly don’t need to be told to be more patient, so you can bathe in goldz… the result is likely to be the opposite to your intention…ie, I start deliberately undercutting to teach you some manners and that gaslighting is bad, M’kay.
Might have been using an addon to automatically undercut. I’ve used similar addons and I think that if you don’t configure them correctly this could happen.
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Was never meant to insult you or attack you personally.
Just saying that people are impatient and start undercutting if stuff doesnt sell instantly or within the first auction period.
Which doesnt help the economy.
Because thinking that AH pros and multiboxers are pushing the prices down is wrong.
Ah pros literally scan the AH multiple times to find deals where there is margin.
I.e. items that are undercut by 10-20% or even listed at a wrong price at all.
Multiboxers make their money by the huge amount of materials they gather due to their multiple characters.
Not even undercutting by much but they just wait till they sell their stuff.
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I pay for sub just to have a little fun in instanced PvP - called Battlegrounds. But what fun do I get? One time my team is just made by 1 guy who multibox with 5+ characters and he is a nub multiboxer and he just move 1 around and the rest stay AFK…
The other scenario is if I get a pro multiboxer in the opposite team and he just purge everything with 5+ warlocks with spinning around minions.
After the auction house rework undercutting doesn’t make any sense, because the last in is the first out, so the person that undercuts will probably never sell anything as people start to pile in on top of them.
There should be a warning whenever you undercut explaining the situation, because I still see people undercutting resources and I’m pretty sure they simply don’t know that undercutting has been sabotaged by the recent redesign of the auction house user interface.
sods law, always on the losing side.
makes me think of those rare occasions when I queue up for random battleground and i’m on the same team as a premade, doesn’t happen so much these days. I’m usually fighting against the premade. That doesn’t mean it’s an instant loss though, theres nothing quite as satisfying as finding at the start of the match that you are facing a russian premade and seeing people moan and instantly leave before the match starts, only to stay and fight and win.
That feels good.
Forum threads like these and even many others keep putting out that same message.
I posted a similar reply like yours in this thread.
But the only responses it generates is the fact that people want to sell their goods and never seem to read or understand that undercutting isnt needed anymore.
Ah well, hopefully one day people will understand
Maybe the addon authors need to do something, but if the people who are undercutting aren’t using addons that wont work so blizzard would need to and they never would, because I guess part of the game is the fact that people can do things that seem stupid, while others learn about it and avoid it.
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