What I think about the current representation of the Horde

The Horde canonically aids the Forsaken with the Scarlets in all their lands…

Ask Blizzard. They never gave an official explanation.

Very handy, thanks for the reply xd.

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I’d say that was because the increasing influence of the Lich King made him loose faith in the Light.
And the whispers of Ner’zhul, and the power he promised Arthas to “protect his people” and “fulfil his destiny”, made him discard the Light.

I’d say it all started the same as Maarad here.

But with Stratholme instead of Shattrath.
And then he simply never tried to turn back to it.

At least thats the impression both the novel and Chronicles give.

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If the scarlet renegades were anything to go on yes many crusaders did not know everything of what was going on.

Other insights headless horseman simply crusaders who looked up to Saidan Dathrohan and his lies.

Did the crusade do some back stuff hell yes killing civilians who didn’t follow there guidelines or simply just incase the person was undead or an agent of the lich king. - it was after all a losing war.

But compared to say the forsaken common like lets be real.

Can someone explain to me why Arthas was cut off from the Light exactly? And why he is the only case of this happening and not anyone else?

Blood elves lost the light when the Sunwell was destroyed.

Forsaken actually kept the ability to channel the light ironically…just damages them all to hell.

Many Scarlets lost connection to the light.

Nobundo comes to mind, Akama also was cut off the light when they became broken…

Orcs can’t use the light even if they have all the faith in the world.

The light is strange…Night Elves for example wield something like the light but its from Elune, likewise Troll priests wield something like the light but its from the Loa.

Liadrin already explained this for us during the heritage armor quests. She lost faith and hope. And then the light didn’t answer anymore. FAITH is again the key in obtaining your light back.

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Liadrin already explained this for us during the heritage armor quests. She lost faith and hope. And then the light didn’t answer anymore. FAITH is again the key in obtaining your light back.

You realise it happened to all of them right? No blood elf could wield the light without the sunwell. That is why they tapped the Naaru and stole the light…they literally couldn’t get it any other way.

The draenei prophet, Velen, then used the essence of a darkened naaru to restore the Sunwell as a fount of both arcane and holy energy.

I would say for the blood elfs / blood knights yes after the burning of teldrassil your right I mean you think belfs would be thinking on their own history with silvermoon and the scourge at least with the scourge your talking bout a mindless army but the burning of teldrassil was a choice of free will and they all went along with it.

That nice armor questline - ha don’t make me laugh belfs have proven to be just as bad now any sort of sympathy points are now out the window.

Don’t blame the Blood Elves. Blame Blizz!

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The Sunwell has nothing to do with that. At all. The Sunwell was a font of Arcane energy and Arcane energy alone until the end of TBC.

That’d be like Tyrande losing the powers of Elune because the well of eternity imploded.

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It doesn’t have to make sense, its a fact.

After the Third War, the majority of high elves became blood elves, and soon the race began to lose its light given powers. Thus they needed to find a new way to access the Light.

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The Sunwell had nothing to do with the Light. At all. It was a font or pure arcane magic.

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The Sunwell isn’t mentioned. The race as a whole lost faith in the light, as it failed to protect them from the scourge. Thus just about all of them abandoned it.

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Oh, before I forget. Surely you mean our knee?

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Oh, yes. Sorry.

Sharing is Caring.

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Thats why it was reignited with the essence of a naaru? they aren’t known for their arcane origins. If it wasn’t divine before it is now.

Honestly though if it was just down to a lack of faith that stopped the blood elves using the light then they are even more like petulant children than i had them down for before. They were power hungry enough to steal the light but not faithful enough to use it properly…actually that follows what we know of Blood elves.

Lets compare

Blood Elves - We lost our kingdom and sunwell , its the lights fault for not making us win…even though we only had a MINORITY who actually followed the light.

Humans - We lost our Kingdom and are beset on all sides by undead…to make matters worse some of our own are traitors and could plague our food…but we will keep faith in the light.

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We are debating whether it was infused by the Light before its rekindling. It was not. It was pure arcane essence.

Further more, humans believe much more deeply and much longer in the Light then blood elves ever did, so your argument is kinda bleh.

Not to mention that the Holy Light was never a strong religion within Quel’Thalas. You yourself said that a minority practiced it.

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Not true, beyond the Blood Knights the Light was still their faith. The level 5 race-class quest for blood elven priests had Rangers thank you for blessing them with generic faith filled lines at the ruined gates of Silvermoon.

on completion: “Already the rangers speak of your blessings with awe and respect. Now you can see how the Light serves us, allowing us to help others, but only after we have helped ourselves.

None of these points are, in any way, addressed at all within the current story telling. For example:

There is no explicit condoning/damning of Teldrassil by a whole metric ton of characters. And assuming that the lack of opinion = explicit and unquestionable support, is some very terrible presumptuous headcanon.

The current story is absolute trash and these “points” are bandied around like some giant “gotcha!!!” to try and prove some form of superiority. This is a tired topic tbh.

People forget that Blood Knights aren’t some independant organisation, they are the - self confessed - Spine of the Thalassian military. For all intents and purposes they are bound to Liadrin and in turn she is bound to Rommath who is in turn bound to Lor’themar. Not to mention that Liadrin is actually a close friend of Lor’themar, so she likely has faith in whatever he has been doing since BFA launch.

I covered the hierarchy of the sin’dorei in another topic months ago. It goes like this
Lor’themar > Rommath > Lady Liadrin > Halduron > Tae’thelan Bloodwatcher(probally)