This is true. But the PCU has 200-300 people by now, so it could also end in a corrupted power fight where they control the narrative on “what really happened” and “the sheer amount of evidence proves them right” which is not a good place to be. Conflict solving should be done by two to three people who speak for the PCU and not the individuals, because having +10 people come to your help feels surely empowering but at the same time it provides enough problems on its own (“forum raiding”) and badmouthing.
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We all know he said it for a reaction and nothing more.
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I agree in principal and in an ideal world that would work best, but then I could just say that 200-300 people all have separate opinions and when it comes to reddit it’s not exactly in the ballpark of where this group exists.
As for the forums, I’d then say that it’s the moderation team’s job to handle pile ups, but we know what moderation is like here.
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This is a rather strange take for online/forumposting. People are allowed to express and write individually all they like. Some people sharing a tag doesn’t change that.
Personally, I am more inclined to believe things backed up by several different people and what I have also seen and experienced myself, over stuff written in a frenzy on some random smearblog. Especially when I have seen examples from there legitimately being altered or straight up faked screenshots(Because I saw the events or posts myself in actuality.)
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Well what would you call it then?
Before you entirely glaze over my reasoning
Pure nonsense to put lightly.
No tbf, your reasoning makes it even more yikes and sounds like old tired rants about “the left” from the usual sources. Leaving that discussion there.
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And yet we see always the same issue: PCU bad, PCU harasses people and similar postings. The bigger it gets, the less control has the top over each individual and that’s the moment problems can get catastrophic.
I’m sure the PCU has some form of council, so why don’t they take on the public issues for anyone? If the problems do not get solved or reoccur repeatedly, the council could go down the hierarchy until the find the actual user who causes these issues, rather having a wild mass jumping around and wrecking chaos and cementing the “PCU controls everything”-image.
I agree with you here - but the PCU is simply too big to allow individual opinions at this point due the sheer advantage in numbers. Imagine if 40-50 people would jump onto a topic, with 4-5 people reporting and silencing people on their own on the forums. It puts the PCU in a bad light.
This is a valid argument but who says that it cannot be in bad faith? Someone here just posted a few hours ago I would “defend” a person who causes havoc to the PCU and people jumped right onto this bandwagon with not having any proof. This isn’t a solution either. The PCU really needs an in-between who manages such troubles, especially with +200 people.
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I thought you were finished commenting in this thread:
So much for that.
Do you mean that we should all become, dare I say, mindless drones?
Every player has the right to voice their individual opinions on these forums. To say we shouldn’t do that because we’re part of a community is an absolute clown take and an example of double standards often expressed when it comes to PCU. Everyone else can do something, but we can’t, because it should be our responsibility to uphold higher standards of conduct than the rest of this server. And if we don’t, we’re the bad ones.
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what a deranged thing to post about what is essentially nothing more than a bunch of roleplayers LOL
fondly remembering rn that time you argued for 1x eternity that we need to consult your wordpress expertise to set up an official pcu incorporated website
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The irony.
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I understand parts of the reasoning, I truly do, but expecting a large hobby community group to elect spokespeople and then the others to not speak up when it is their want, is just too strange to me.
Like, if I have input on a topic, especially if it’s my group, my friends being smeared, then I will absolutely post it. Whoever I’m replying to can choose to ignore it if it’s too much. If it’s too much to handle for them, they can consider not swinging the first punch. It’s why -I- generally don’t do it.
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Where is this assumption coming from that PCU-related idiotic takes only get responses from PCU members?
At this point half the forum regulars who willingly don’t associate with the PCU also call out smear campaign trashposting and tribalism because of what they are, not because they are anti-PCU.
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But it is mostly just a tag. Despite what might be thought, from what I’ve gathered, most guilds with the PCU don’t really got anything else in common over sharing that tag(and the rules that comes with it) and that they role-play together. So it would basically be like saying that any member who’s joined a random group-chat is not allowed to raise individual concerns or comments.
But that doesn’t really happen outside of very specific circumstances. And even with those circumstances, it’s never been like that plain and simple.
Instead what has happened is:
- Someone makes a hostile & or troll post, or just something a majority of forum users disagree with. Forum users then disagree with it. Everyone who disagrees is labelled as “PCU”.
- Someone makes a hostile & or troll post, or just something a majority of forum users disagree with. Forum users then disagree with it. Everyone who disagrees is labelled as “PCU”. The OP then begins to trash the “PCU”. Every single time it’s also been exposed early on that the OP of these posts often have a history(like the poster who spent an entire afternoon once spamming out nearly 60 separate threads in all caps about how “everyone in the pcu should die”, how "all of the pcu members are -insert homophobic slurs here- "etc.
I’ve seen plenty of those examples. But never once where it was just 50 members of the Rotgarde for example jumping on some innocent poster.
Again, mostly because I have not seen anything like that but plenty of the opposite.
To be fair, you did say it was a innocent random person and when corrected with context who it was you backtracked to a “well, if that’s true…but I dont know if it is.”
Said person did alot more damaging stuff than just disrupting and harassing PCU roleplayers(which they did and it was awful) by the way. They did alot of straight up illegal activities and on a more personal level, directly threatened me, both with violence, doxxing and at one point to sue me. Said individual also threatened my family and children. I was close to giving you this post before, but I left it then because it had already moved on at that point.
Guess which blog didn’t bring that up, but instead straight up edited several posts I made in a screenshot of the forums(As in, removed and changed words I had posted and put other comments out of order) while also labeling said individual as a “innocent roleplayer.”
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Haha, damn
What’s funny is that we technically don’t even know if what Leafkettle is saying is true because every comment in that Reddit thread is deleted.
I mean, we know what the thread was about (he doesn’t have to quote ancient magic to me, I was there when it was written), but it’s funny how he hasn’t really shown any proof of his words, but then starts doubting words of others.
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The more people there are, the better the structure needs to be. Just look at the responses I get above. The PCU doesn’t want to associate themselves with such people who post provocative opinions. It’s far too easy to blame everyone then and calling this the “regular PCU behavior”, which shouldn’t be the norm.
If it is one friend, then it’s okay - but will you do, when you have at least +10 friends and their friends jump also onto this topic? It’s a big chain reaction in the end. It is getting overwhelming and I think this is one of the few problems the PCU has to tackle on. I don’t know how it could be done but my suggestion would be to have a council in place who speaks for each guild associated with them.
Both sides are to blame here. The PCU is, however, easier to blame and target.
Do they? I don’t look for postings here when I want to RP but rather the archives.
I get what you’re saying here but the “PCU is the PCU” in the end, there needs to be some system in place which helps both sides to minimize conflicts.
I understand the problem but I have no real solution for these kind of problems. The only idea I have is to tighten the control with an in-between council. I have to admit how silly it sounds but perhaps it could also help to make official statements when actual problems arise so the PCU can distance themselves from it or make it clear that people get punished within the hierarchy for stepping beyond their boundaries.
From the outside the PCU is indeed a wesp nest you should not question or interact with, because you’re going to regret it and people do fear this kind of power.
Yeah, I see where you are coming from - but again, I do not remember the circumstances or who it was. I’m aware of one infamous eRPer but I wouldn’t even them wish this kind of harassment, there are better ways dealing with such people in the public.
Have you reported it to Blizzard at least?
People call you out and you act as if we’re killing your puppies.
Care to elaborate on what these provocative opinions are?
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I’d tell you to practice what you preach, but judging by your forum history I’m not sure I’d want you to.
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Potentially, yeah. Depends on the topic severity I guess. But even if I don’t, I won’t fault others that will. Everyone’s got the right to post their responses on a topic that affects them. If the topic is something that affects a LOT of people, it’s on the poster to glean that and deal with it. Whether they respond to everything or just ignore a lot, that’s on them, but we can’t really expect 200+ people to take responsibility for the one users post.
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Ok. Then plop your butt down and drink in the wisdom of people who are in the know. The forum brigade/regulars/pundits that some morons eagerly like to refer to as some collective are not the PCU. Some would rather choke themselves with a double-barrelled shotgun and pull the trigger than be in the same OOC chatting space as some PCU members and have made the very conscious decision of not affiliating themselves with Perroy or whoever else within the community.
These same people will treat your brand of tribalism as being a stupid fixation that very few reasonable people are interested in at this point and will call it out. This isn’t some minority of fence sitters, it’s everyone who isn’t in the PCU, is active within the AD community (In-game, forums, discords, reddit, whereever) and dislike the topic because it’s an incredibly boring dead horse that people have beaten to death and which even the PCU tried to repeatedly address. Well, until they just gave up, rightly so, after seeing as they don’t need the good will of the likes of you to operate and flourish.
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